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Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days. If you happen to be male and heterosexual too, you're worse than Hitler and should begin self-flagellation immediately. Personally I find it offensive to be continually lectured on what a rich, over-priveleged piece of shit I am, just because I was born white. By people with more wealth and privilege than anyone in my working class family has e…
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> People go along with this kind of BS because they are afraid of being labeled as racist Do you actually know anyone for whom this is true? Afraid of being labeled racist? If you're not racist that strikes me as a crazy thing to obsess over.
>People go along with this kind of BS because they are afraid of being labeled as communist Do you actually know anyone for whom this is true? Afraid of being labeled communist? If you're not communist that strikes me as a crazy thing to obsess over. See what I did there? These were legitimate fears during the Red Scare. We're similarly in another moral panic, and a lot of these terrible situations are resurrecting.
Back in the 70's did men go around making sure everyone knew they were straight? Some did I suppose, but it was probably kind of sad or embarrassing.
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> People go along with this kind of BS because they are afraid of being labeled as racist Do you actually know anyone for whom this is true? Afraid of being labeled racist? If you're not racist that strikes me as a crazy thing to obsess over.
If you're not racist, being labeled racist can cause real, concrete damage. Economic damage, social damage, professional damage. In the current climate, it is to at least some degree rational to want to not be labeled racist.
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The people this article is about think that race is associated genetically with intellectual ability and worry about things like racial purity. The people who previously talked about race use it as a proxy for identifying groups of people that aren't succeeding in society, causing some drag on economic development, and try to figure out how to solve the problem.
> The people who previously talked about race use it as a proxy for identifying groups of people that aren't succeeding in society, causing some drag on economic development, and try to figure out how to solve the problem. And that there is the problem. They used a term that has a whole lot of negative connotation to try to advance their good intentions, which have brought us hell because the worst among us also use…
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> The people who previously talked about race use it as a proxy for identifying groups of people that aren't succeeding in society, causing some drag on economic development, and try to figure out how to solve the problem. And that there is the problem. They used a term that has a whole lot of negative connotation to try to advance their good intentions, which have brought us hell because the worst among us also use…
If poverty is partly caused by perceived race (e.g., denying housing à la Trump Management, Inc. or denying employment to ancestors causing a difference in how current generations view education and work), ignoring it will not help solve the problem. You have to be able to study all the reasons for poverty in order to craft appropriate policy.
Instead, just go after the problem as if it is something that affects everyone, because it does. Even the rich are affected by poverty, just in a different way. Sure, they may not be poor, but they still have to deal with the after effects of the impoverished. This is what I mean by poverty affects all. It may be more drastic for those it affects directly, and yes we should do something about it for them more directly; but by approaching it from a wide range approach like how I suggest; you avoid the nastiness of assuming race has anything to do with it.
Example: I grew up with many first nations individuals surrounding me. Many of them were impoverished. I am also partially first nations, but don't appear to be. We were just as poor as many of them, and worse off that some of them to boot if you are to compare finances without biases. If we were to approach poverty as if it only affects the first nations, then our family would have potentially been cruelly left behind.
Instead, by treating poverty as something that affects all of society, no one is left behind.
A rising tide lifts all boats; though sometimes some more than others to be fair. Waves are not equal after all.
> You have to be able to study all the reasons for poverty in order to craft appropriate policy.
Exactly my point, but without focusing too hard on any single factor.
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> Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days. ...in the USA. In other parts of the world, not so much. Unfortunately, the USA has enormous influence on the culture in other countries: through business culture, tech giants and so on. So many of these alien concepts transpire to societies where they make little sense.
So it's only "in the USA" but due to cultural influence it transpires everywhere. So it's not just a US problem. The idea that someone should be hated because of the color of their skin makes sense no where, not even in the US.
There is an enormous sense between what you quote above and the comment I was replying to ("being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days") especially in countries without a history of slavery or racial conflicts. And I think this lack of balance/distinction might be a huge problem here. You don't really go to extremes like self-loathing in order to show your respect and appreciation of other races.
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So it's only "in the USA" but due to cultural influence it transpires everywhere. So it's not just a US problem. The idea that someone should be hated because of the color of their skin makes sense no where, not even in the US.
> The idea that someone should be hated because of the color of their skin makes sense no where, not even in the US. There is an enormous sense between what you quote above and the comment I was replying to ("being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days") especially in countries without a history of slavery or racial conflicts. And I think this lack of balance/distinction might be a huge p…
I would be curious to know which country/territory doesn't have slavery in their past (maybe Australia?).
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If poverty is partly caused by perceived race (e.g., denying housing à la Trump Management, Inc. or denying employment to ancestors causing a difference in how current generations view education and work), ignoring it will not help solve the problem. You have to be able to study all the reasons for poverty in order to craft appropriate policy.
I think that's only potentially true because the opposite side of the aisle is utilizing race to begin with from the negative end. No you shouldn't ignore that it is being used that way, but by playing into the game that side is playing, you are furthering their intent. Instead, just go after the problem as if it is something that affects everyone, because it does. Even the rich are affected by poverty, just in a dif…
Note that one political party does go after poverty as it affects everyone. They also go after poverty as it affects certain subgroups like those who have faced housing discrimination or those who are refugees because understanding the reasons for poverty helps fight it more effectively.
> Exactly my point, but without focusing too hard on any single factor.
This is the crux of the issue. The people who are investigating the reasons for poverty aren't focusing on a single factor too hard. It's the people who are fighting them who do, rejoicing when they get to apply their War on Christmas culture wars to slow progress.
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> The idea that someone should be hated because of the color of their skin makes sense no where, not even in the US. There is an enormous sense between what you quote above and the comment I was replying to ("being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days") especially in countries without a history of slavery or racial conflicts. And I think this lack of balance/distinction might be a huge p…
Not even sure what point you're trying to make. I was just surprised by your contradictory message claiming that it was only an American thing. I would be curious to know which country/territory doesn't have slavery in their past (maybe Australia?).
As for the contradiction, the USA has a history that is very much unique and not shared with other countries, and the painful consequences are still very much alive. You would need to see the reactions of people in, say, Asia, when you tell them they have to replace master/slave and blacklist with other terms. They basically do it out of politeness but they do not see the need for that.
[0] https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/featu...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_Black_Lives_Matter