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Re: Quiet Quitting

#31
I worked 200% for over 15 years in Silicon Valley. You know how many raises I got without changing jobs? Zero. You know how many promotions I got? Zero. You know how many bonuses I got? Zero. You know how much more work I got assigned? A TON.

Hard work only begets hard work these days and not further compensation. The old paths to higher compensation and career growth are dead, and employers killed them. There's no reason to go above and beyond anymore unless you want to be overworked to death. You won't get compensated more for it.

Times used to be you'd be recognized for your hard work and get raises, bonuses, and promotions but those days are gone. Now you have to change jobs to get ahead. So why put in any extra effort at a temporary job?

Re: Quiet Quitting

#32
post #13

There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship. Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when the…

In general, the relationship between employer and employee has never been balanced. One thing that induced balance in the middle of the 20th century was the power of unions in the middle of high-demand industries; after World War II, manufacturing and transportation were massively valuable to rebuild tracts of the world bombed to bedrock, and this put bargaining power in the hands of labor because labor in e.g. heavy manufacturing and rail had already organized; bosses were incentivized to work within those power structures because there was so much money to be made hitting quotas that it was in nobody's interest to slow process. Your company was your extended family because the union had made it so (it's not like bosses would be offering those pensions out of the goodness of their hearts).

That balance began to unravel as the world rebuilt, manufacturing moved out of its traditional bases, and labor shifted from industry to service without a corresponding shift of service to unionized workplaces.

The Boomers' attitude towards work is shaped by experiencing the benefits of the closest the US came to strong labor representation and national-level socialism, if not outright communism.

Re: Quiet Quitting

#33
I finally 'quiet quit' when I realized being a minority in tech means I'll never break the glass ceiling past senior engineer regardless of how hard I work or how visibly I help. Even in school I was shoved into secretarial work until I finally convinced professors to let me work solo and would smoke entire groups.

People for some reason think I am good enough to interview for lead or architect then seem surprised when I show up and saw "Ooo, hmm. I think you are a better fit for senior." or "Hmm. I think we'll hire you as a second or third hire instead" or when I am inside, I am told for years "you're up for a promotion".

I am disregarded and mistreated, treated like a pariah. I thought if I worked hard enough, people will like me and see my value; a meritocracy! Nope. It's got nothing to do with actual skills and everything to do with who you are and who you schmooze.

It's weird as fuck that they are interested and crawling over me until they talk to me as a person. I am doubtful it is my abilities. It's likely because I am autistic and a little eccentric (talk fast / ADHD & a little overwhelming to talk to if I am being honest). I am well-spoken and fairly clear to speak to, I actually give talks about my work. I just chalk it up to wanting a square when I am pretty clearly and happily a circle.

I can either bury myself and personality to become a grey corporate square or I can shut my mouth and disregard the dudebros that seem to only promote fellow dudebros that ask me how to solve their problems then pretend they didn't.

Re: Quiet Quitting

#34
post #9

I wonder how quiet quitters and the overemployed[1] fare in the mass layoffs. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/

Quiet Quitters are very different from the Overemployed, best not to get them mixed up.

The former (badly named, see other posts) cohort is doing their job diligently (and more intelligently than burn-out headed peers) so should be fine in decent companies with competent management, and will presumably be later in line for the chop in those contexts.

Re: Quiet Quitting

#35

It irks me that some people use this term to mean "doing your job, as expected." I would imagine it to mean "doing the absolute smallest amount you can get away with without getting noticed and subsequently fired." Fulfilling my duties but not doing overtime seems like "doing your job" rather than "quiet quitting."

I agree that your definition would be more intuitive, but I think that ship has sailed. It seems to be almost universally used to mean "performing the required duties of your role, and no more" I think it's an indication of a totally dysfunctional work culture that "not doing extra" can be synonymous with "not working at all" The fact that the author claims to have given "200% of [their] energy" to their job "through…

It also reeks of the typical productivity theatre I see in my parents generation. Highly visible self-sacrifice, everything for work.

But putting in 80 hours a week, going to work even when sick, neglecting rest and family, all these things reduce overall work output, often sharply. Especially when it's just performative, but even when it's honest.

Re: Quiet Quitting

#36
I'm gen X so sort of right in the middle. I consider my generation on of the last of the american dream is attainable for the average worker.

I was able to buy a home in my early 20s and climb the wealth ladder. I busted my ass working a 40hr a week job and doing side hustles to make it happen.

If you are looking for a home now outside a major city and don't want a 2hr commute things are so slim even if you work your butt off why do it then?

Its not that they don't want to work its why work? Its not a work issue but its a wage issue. Wages haven't kept up with inflation and cost of college.

Kids have been pushed by their parents to take office jobs when they could be making 2 times what they are currently working if they went into a trade.

My dad owned a sand/gravel company and sold it because he couldn't find young people that wanted to drive a truck or run a frontend loader. He was offering $25/hr in a low cost of living area and no one wanted to do it because they've heard since they were 8 years old how bad working with your hands are and they should get an office job

Re: Quiet Quitting

#37
post #7

Not mentioned at all is most people's salaries cannot buy you the same life that it was able to afford baby-boomers. The work-life balance re-assessment is partially based on a recognition that they are getting less benefit per hour spent at work, and for many the tradeoff is no longer worth it. If the best that people with degrees, trade qualifications or good ol' fashioned hard work can look forward to is just scra…

I could not agree more.

You can't compare raw salary numbers. You need to compare total lifestyle / purchasing power.

It's a totally different game now. Job security is gone in both directions. Oh and the world in general is a much more chaotic place. The younger generations are just trying to come to terms with it.

Re: Quiet Quitting

#38
Are the author's observations really representative of a generational difference? When I was younger, my attitude would have been "work hard and party hard", which was a commitment to an active rather than relaxed work-life balance. Among my fellow students, I could observe a whole spectrum from "work hard" to "party hard". My own current anecdotal evidence with young adults from my extended family still includes examples of both. Therefore, I am not sure if the average has really shifted.

Re: Quiet Quitting

#39
Step 1: *systematically kill the middle class over a generation*

Step 2: "noooooo, why are these workers not pushing themselves like they used to? are you not believing in our mission statement? but we've introduced Pride Month this year! what else do you want???"

Step 3: ???

Re: Quiet Quitting

#40
post #13

There has been an erosion and change in the nature of the employee-employer relationship. Back in the day that the author initially started working, the nature of the relationship was probably much more balanced: the employee got a decent wage, was trusted to fulfil their duties with reasonable concessions and freedom (sometimes possibly doing overtime if necessary, but also being able to leave early on days when the…

I think the problem is when you start trying to get away with doing less than what you're paid for. For example, taking short cuts, hiding issues, or neglecting other responsibilities. In many roles, this would probably work for quite a long time but create massive long-term issues for the company.
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