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Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by p1necone »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #29
devwastaken wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

I will admit that I am mildly concerned with this myself. I dislike that everywhere now there are youtube videos showing off how you can make play Switch games, but on Deck. We are effectively forcing Nintendo's hands. While it was a niche thing, they mostly didn't have to care and now they might have to.. Things MAY work out to the benefit of regular users ( though often they work out to the benefit of those with be…

Emulation hasn't been a niche thing since the 90s, emulating older systems has always been wildly popular.

Emulating the Switch specifically is maybe a niche thing because the emulators are relatively new, the system is still sold and you can easily buy the games.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by matsemann »

ElCheapo wrote: post #28
Madmallard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Emulation has been deemed legal? Since when? You're not paying for the system or the games and playing them freely?

what has emulation got to do with not paying for the games?

Why would Valve advertise you could emulate if not for pirating games?

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by some-human »

matsemann wrote: post #32
ElCheapo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what has emulation got to do with not paying for the games?

Why would Valve advertise you could emulate if not for pirating games?

To play the wide range of homebrew switch software created by the vast homebrew community the switch has, of course.

https://switchbrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Applications

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

oneoff786 wrote: post #23
lights0123 wrote: post #17

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Pirating games. Valve doesn't care if you play games you buy not on their hardware (being their original business), while Nintendo doesn't want you playing Switch games on a computer even if you bought the game.

Can you play the same game on two devices from the same steam account without hiding offline?

At the same time? Not that I know of. But then doing so would be a violation of the game licence.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by matsemann »

some-human wrote: post #33
matsemann wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Valve advertise you could emulate if not for pirating games?

To play the wide range of homebrew switch software created by the vast homebrew community the switch has, of course. https://switchbrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Applications

Yeah, no one really believes that.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by scheeseman486 »

devwastaken wrote: post #12
stoplying1 wrote: post #4

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Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

This is a very hazy area, made more hazy by the main method of getting games off of a Switch being a dev mode implemented by the hardware designers at Nintendo/Nvidia that is enabled by bridging two pins on the JoyCon connector which completely bypasses the DRM. Is using hardware features as designed "breaking" DRM? Hard to make that argument when they left the door wide open, unlocked and trivial to use.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

p1necone wrote: post #31
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will admit that I am mildly concerned with this myself. I dislike that everywhere now there are youtube videos showing off how you can make play Switch games, but on Deck. We are effectively forcing Nintendo's hands. While it was a niche thing, they mostly didn't have to care and now they might have to.. Things MAY work out to the benefit of regular users ( though often they work out to the benefit of those with be…

Emulation hasn't been a niche thing since the 90s, emulating older systems has always been wildly popular. Emulating the Switch specifically is maybe a niche thing because the emulators are relatively new, the system is still sold and you can easily buy the games.

Yes, but in the 90s there were no esports, gaming wasn't a billion dollar industry ( with advertising[1] to support that ).

Compared to today it was popular amongst some enthusiasts, who already self-selected from perceived social outcasts. Gaming has only recently become more mainstream, socially acceptable AND ridiculously profitable.

The target is that much bigger. I stand by my 'it used to be a niche', because even being interested in computers was not a mainstream interest.

[1]https://www.gameskinny.com/ggtms/10-best-video-game-commerci...

edit:

Seems I was off with a billion number, but it is still nowhere near 2017's 100b global video game industry estimate.

[2]https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Video_game_industry

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by scheeseman486 »

mgraczyk wrote: post #22
hyperhopper wrote: post #15

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Exactly. Whats the worst that can happen to valve? Nintendo: "oh no, how dare you show that your product can do something that's perfectly legal and a very common use"

"Portal 3 will not be available on Switch"

That sucks for Nintendo more than Valve. Portal 1 & 2 weren't even a Valve push, Nvidia Lightspeed was the lead.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by amelius »

Madmallard wrote: post #21
IceWreck wrote: post #3

While Valve shouldn't have done this, Yuzu (and emulation) is completely legal. Nintendo cant do anything unless they want to go hard against emulation itself which brings us to the same are APIs copyrightable debate.

Emulation has been deemed legal? Since when? You're not paying for the system or the games and playing them freely?

At least since Wine.

https://www.winehq.org/

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by Dylan16807 »

manojlds wrote: post #14
stoplying1 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

Because Valve wouldn't want you to emulate Steam games as well (which people do, for online stuff). Valve and Nintendo are on the same side of this.

I'm confused. Please define "emulate Steam games".
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