If I got a penny everytime I hear about the death of Moore's law..
If I got one penny the first time I heard about the death or Moore's law, two pennies the second time, four pennies the next...
Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
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Re: Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
#32Wouldn’t this mean that we should focus on writing more efficient code than before?
Especially in the startup space I saw companies building software with the hypothesis “users need the latest device for our product and they will get faster anyway so we don’t need optimize our code. Instead we deliver features on max speed skipping optimizations and wait until our users upgraded to newer devices during the coming 2-4 years”.
Re: Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
#33Wouldn’t this mean that we should focus on writing more efficient code than before? Especially in the startup space I saw companies building software with the hypothesis “users need the latest device for our product and they will get faster anyway so we don’t need optimize our code. Instead we deliver features on max speed skipping optimizations and wait until our users upgraded to newer devices during the coming 2-4…
It’s offloading the cost to the customer. It is way cheaper to develop in some famous interpreted language than creating a set of robust compiled binaries. As long as customers can pay up for newer hardware we will keep seeing clunky UIs that can barely handle 20 list items of variable size without noticeable lag on a modern computer.
I don’t even blame the companies for doing this. The benefit to cost ratio of using idk C++ for everything is just too bad.
Re: Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have clock speeds really plateaued? Sure it’s not “double every 18 months”, but in mid 2018 I bought an Intel 8700K that turbo’d to 4.7GHz and could (with liquid metal, dark magic and luck) overclock to exactly 5GHz. I remember people saying progress was slowing down, that we might not make it to 6GHz. 4.5 years later and Intel is bragging that their upcoming topline CPU will run 6GHz stock. I suppose one could call…
> Have clock speeds really plateaued? Pentium 4 HT 3.8F, November 2004, 3.8GHz, 115W TDP Core i9-13900KF, October 2022, 3.0GHz, 125W TDP Of course, the latter does give you 8 performance cores and 16 efficiency cores so performance-per-watt has clearly improved; and it has 'turbo boost'. But in terms of sustained single-core performance? It's clear Intel's attention has been elsewhere. Such as on the laptop market, w…
Clock speed has indeed plateaued, but the single-core performance of the i9 is going to be vastly superior to the Pentium 4.
Re: Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Re: Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
#36Wouldn’t this mean that we should focus on writing more efficient code than before? Especially in the startup space I saw companies building software with the hypothesis “users need the latest device for our product and they will get faster anyway so we don’t need optimize our code. Instead we deliver features on max speed skipping optimizations and wait until our users upgraded to newer devices during the coming 2-4…
It’s offloading the cost to the customer. It is way cheaper to develop in some famous interpreted language than creating a set of robust compiled binaries. As long as customers can pay up for newer hardware we will keep seeing clunky UIs that can barely handle 20 list items of variable size without noticeable lag on a modern computer. I don’t even blame the companies for doing this. The benefit to cost ratio of using…
But the inefficiencies you sometimes see today can’t even be explained with any bad choice of language. You can create more than fast enough programs with interpreted languages with garbage collection. But then of course you need to know at least a little bit about data structures and not doing dozens of REST calls anytime anyone taps the screen.
Re: Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have clock speeds really plateaued? Sure it’s not “double every 18 months”, but in mid 2018 I bought an Intel 8700K that turbo’d to 4.7GHz and could (with liquid metal, dark magic and luck) overclock to exactly 5GHz. I remember people saying progress was slowing down, that we might not make it to 6GHz. 4.5 years later and Intel is bragging that their upcoming topline CPU will run 6GHz stock. I suppose one could call…
> Have clock speeds really plateaued? Pentium 4 HT 3.8F, November 2004, 3.8GHz, 115W TDP Core i9-13900KF, October 2022, 3.0GHz, 125W TDP Of course, the latter does give you 8 performance cores and 16 efficiency cores so performance-per-watt has clearly improved; and it has 'turbo boost'. But in terms of sustained single-core performance? It's clear Intel's attention has been elsewhere. Such as on the laptop market, w…
CPUMark single threaded score for the P4: ~620
CPUMark single threaded score for the 13900K ~4800
So obviously a lot has changed and improved.
Re: Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
#38Lotta people here not reading the article: > However, as it has in the past, the semiconductor ecosystem is adapting and as Chiplet technology builds traction, we will very likely see a period of accelerating innovation and new market opportunities opening as we move forward. The whole premise is that chip innovation (and overall computing power) is continuing to accelerate, even though "Moore's Law as we've known it…
I'd say that the premise of the article is captured in the title perfectly. One needn't to read the article to get it. So, we can strengthen your assertion and to say that "lotta people here are not reading the title." People react to the first part of the title. Seems they are really exasperated by all these repeated deaths of Moore's law.
Re: Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
#39Even if the Moore's law is not dead, single-thread performance and clock frequency have plateaued 10 years ago. This is the key factor. Because of heating even if you squeeze more transistors onto a chip you need to reduce the clock, so even if you may get higher computational throughput the latency will go down. And this is another argument for chiplets or any other alternative computational architectures.
Have clock speeds really plateaued? Sure it’s not “double every 18 months”, but in mid 2018 I bought an Intel 8700K that turbo’d to 4.7GHz and could (with liquid metal, dark magic and luck) overclock to exactly 5GHz. I remember people saying progress was slowing down, that we might not make it to 6GHz. 4.5 years later and Intel is bragging that their upcoming topline CPU will run 6GHz stock. I suppose one could call…
the frequency plateau always been a power consumption/leakage thing, and power draw for recent intel cpus only reinforces that. it's probably too early to tell if 6ghz is a new normal
and fwiw ive had a 5ghz+ overclock on every cpu ive bought in the last ten years with a corsair 240mm aio, going back to the 3570k
Re: Moore’s Law is dead – Long live the chiplet
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s offloading the cost to the customer. It is way cheaper to develop in some famous interpreted language than creating a set of robust compiled binaries. As long as customers can pay up for newer hardware we will keep seeing clunky UIs that can barely handle 20 list items of variable size without noticeable lag on a modern computer. I don’t even blame the companies for doing this. The benefit to cost ratio of using…
But the inefficiencies you sometimes see today can’t even be explained with any bad choice of language. You can create more than fast enough programs with interpreted languages with garbage collection. But then of course you need to know at least a little bit about data structures and not doing dozens of REST calls anytime anyone taps the screen.
What if doing dozens of REST calls is effectively the product?