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Pregnancy-Related Deaths: Data from Maternal Mortality Review Committees

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Re: Pregnancy-Related Deaths: Data from Maternal Mortality Review Committees

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Post by mnd999 »

nsxwolf wrote: post #24
malfist wrote: post #2

Maternity healthcare in the US is one of the worst in the developed nations. And yet we're banning abortion, and doing nothing to fix it. Even WIC has came under attack in the past. Protecting the unborn is very convenient. They make no demands of you. Edit: WIC: Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic

Are you saying the solution to maternity related deaths is abortion here? Eliminating maternal death by eliminating maternity? I don't understand.

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Post by powerslacker »

The timing of the publication of this data is telling. The data is gathered from a total of 1018 total cases from 2017-2019. The CDC has also published totals of the national rates of maternal mortality: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality/2020...

In 2020, there were 861 deaths total, at a rate of 23.8 per 100k births. If my math is correct that's roughly a .024% chance across all age groups of maternal mortality including deaths caused by suicide/mental health issues.

The number of pregnancy related deaths is incredibly low.

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Post by neves »

xupybd wrote: post #13
malfist wrote: post #2

Maternity healthcare in the US is one of the worst in the developed nations. And yet we're banning abortion, and doing nothing to fix it. Even WIC has came under attack in the past. Protecting the unborn is very convenient. They make no demands of you. Edit: WIC: Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic

I understand that less abortions means more pregnancies to deal with but aren't they fundamentally separate issues. A health system needs to be able to deal with the load presented to it.

One of main causes of abortion is high risk pregnancies. You are increasing the load with the most difficult and risk cases.

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Post by kube-system »

nsxwolf wrote: post #24
malfist wrote: post #2

Maternity healthcare in the US is one of the worst in the developed nations. And yet we're banning abortion, and doing nothing to fix it. Even WIC has came under attack in the past. Protecting the unborn is very convenient. They make no demands of you. Edit: WIC: Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic

Are you saying the solution to maternity related deaths is abortion here? Eliminating maternal death by eliminating maternity? I don't understand.

There are some pregnancies which are dangerous to the mother's health. When it is difficult or impossible for those patients to get treatment, they will die at higher rates.

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Post by dane-pgp »

malfist wrote: post #2

Maternity healthcare in the US is one of the worst in the developed nations. And yet we're banning abortion, and doing nothing to fix it. Even WIC has came under attack in the past. Protecting the unborn is very convenient. They make no demands of you. Edit: WIC: Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic

I completely agree with you, except I think the middle line of your comment is needlessly snide. One could equally say: "Protecting unborn (and newly born) humans is very inconvenient. They make all sorts of demands of you. (So maybe we should deny their humanity.)"

The real questions are "At what point does human life begin / become valuable?" and "Should governments provide for their citizens or merely punish those who harm them?".

There are good arguments to be made by decent people on all sides of those debates, so let's not make cheap shots which detract from reaching a better understanding.

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Post by pstuart »

dfxm12 wrote: post #8
malfist wrote: post #2

Maternity healthcare in the US is one of the worst in the developed nations. And yet we're banning abortion, and doing nothing to fix it. Even WIC has came under attack in the past. Protecting the unborn is very convenient. They make no demands of you. Edit: WIC: Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic

Not just banning abortion, but any medicine that could maybe possibly be used as an abortifacient, even if it is normally prescribed medicine for something else. Some women suffering from arthritis can't get methotrexate for example.

Not just that, but planning to make contraception illegal. Probably sex-ed too.

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Post by nxm »

neves wrote: post #29
andrewla wrote: post #23

This article is disturbing on many levels. The sound bite that the US has a problem with maternity healthcare is ingrained, but this makes me take a second look. First is that we report maternal mortality even when not directly associated with birth -- "Among pregnancy-related deaths with information on timing, 53% occurred 7–365 days postpartum." Is that standard for reporting countries? Is our problem with maternit…

USA is the richest country of the world and does not have paid maternity leave. It is very weird and my hypothesis is that this fact relates to these mental health conditions.

At a federal level no, but some states do require many weeks at minimum. I also think 9months is beyond excessive for maternity/paternity leave (father of kids here).

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Post by kevmo »

This is timely! I recently found out we are pregnant with our first child, and I spent a good amount of time looking up prenatal care in the USA.

The statistics are staggering. USA has the worst infant mortality in the rich world.

We spent 1/5th of our GDP on health industries, and we're getting nothing for it. Just a handful of really rich people.

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Post by _jal »

csdvrx wrote: post #27

It's a theoretical claim (unproved, as acting on a system changes the system) Also, it's missing the crucial implication: at what price? With infinite amount of money, there are many things we could do. We don't have infinite money. Consider how the richest EU state in adjusted PPP per capita (so price levels can't be blamed) is just now barely richer than the poorest US state, in both the median and average Do we re…

> Do we really want to become that poor?

Well, that depends. Are we talking about your child or my child?

Re: Pregnancy-Related Deaths: Data from Maternal Mortality Review Committees

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Post by coderintherye »

andrewla wrote: post #23

This article is disturbing on many levels. The sound bite that the US has a problem with maternity healthcare is ingrained, but this makes me take a second look. First is that we report maternal mortality even when not directly associated with birth -- "Among pregnancy-related deaths with information on timing, 53% occurred 7–365 days postpartum." Is that standard for reporting countries? Is our problem with maternit…

>First is that we report maternal mortality even when not directly associated with birth -- "Among pregnancy-related deaths with information on timing, 53% occurred 7–365 days postpartum."

If someone gets a surgery and then dies 8 days later due to complications from the surgery, you don't go around saying the death was "not directly associated" with the surgery. There are lots of things that affect the body during pregnancy that can lead to death in the year after. [1]

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/maternal-deaths/index.html#:~....

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