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Re: Operation Gladio

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Post by smetj »

joenot443 wrote: post #16
rainworld wrote: post #5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_killers

This was a wild read, thanks for the link. Is the consensus in the EU that Gladio was involved, even if they never came out and admitted it?

The suspicion of such a link existed and has been officially investigated but never proven. Also worth noting that despite intense police investigations (still ongoing) not a single person was able to be charged for these heinous crimes which ripped apart and ruined families for no reason. The public consensus is that (a part of) the police/gendarmes/government/state security apparatus back then was involved and probably still is given the borderline comical incompetency making any official progress in the investigation. If I'm not mistaken, the investigation will be dropped in 2025 if no new elements come to light. https://bendevannijvel.com/ contains interesting information and works well with Google translate.

Re: Operation Gladio

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Post by [deleted] »

areoform wrote: post #19
scaramanga wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's nothing, wait until you find out that the Japanese LDP was founded by class A nazi war criminals that the US released from prison :) If you think it's shocking that the US works with fascists, it can only because you know nothing at all about US foreign policy and how it works. The idea that it's "off the rails" rather than something that repeats so ofte it's not even interesting is _buck wild_ :)

I try to look towards the better angels of everyone’s nature. Being jaded and cynical rarely solves problems.

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Re: Operation Gladio

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Post by hulitu »

scaramanga wrote: post #12
areoform wrote: post #3

If you are wondering how it got so far off the rails, then look no further than the fact that they hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers. Not Wehrmacht grunts. Nor enlisted SS grunts. But SS officers. Less than three years after the Nuremberg trials. The trials where a sitting Supreme Court justice took time off to act as Chief Prosecutor on behalf of the US to condemn their bosses to death. They did i…

That's nothing, wait until you find out that the Japanese LDP was founded by class A nazi war criminals that the US released from prison :) If you think it's shocking that the US works with fascists, it can only because you know nothing at all about US foreign policy and how it works. The idea that it's "off the rails" rather than something that repeats so ofte it's not even interesting is _buck wild_ :)

As they say: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Re: Operation Gladio

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Post by jjtheblunt »

areoform wrote: post #3

If you are wondering how it got so far off the rails, then look no further than the fact that they hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers. Not Wehrmacht grunts. Nor enlisted SS grunts. But SS officers. Less than three years after the Nuremberg trials. The trials where a sitting Supreme Court justice took time off to act as Chief Prosecutor on behalf of the US to condemn their bosses to death. They did i…

> hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers

did Nazis claim pre-existing enlisted officers (that pre-date the Nazis) as their own?

I mean Erwin Rommel predates the Nazis and was just a professional soldier, but they claimed him as their own, even though he himself always thought them nutjobs, it seems.

Re: Operation Gladio

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Post by zardo »

adultSwim wrote: post #24
formerly_proven wrote: post #18

For “in case of soviet invasion break glass” cases you would’ve wanted a contingency like this, could just do without literal nazis, war criminals (plenty of opportunities for that once the soviets invaded, I imagine) and terrorists. Oh and maybe manage to keep it secret from the enemy, Germany. JFC sometimes I wonder if there is anything German security services don’t fuck up, the distrust from NATO allies is and wa…

Seeing this pattern come up so many times, working with the most extreme elements of a country, it appears deliberate. I imagine we picked it up from the British, and other imperial powers.

Who else is going to sign up for the job? Especially as it moves from sabotage in case of Soviet invasion to terrorism and murder against Italian communists, and against the general public while framing Italian communists.

Re: Operation Gladio

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Post by areoform »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #34
areoform wrote: post #3

If you are wondering how it got so far off the rails, then look no further than the fact that they hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers. Not Wehrmacht grunts. Nor enlisted SS grunts. But SS officers. Less than three years after the Nuremberg trials. The trials where a sitting Supreme Court justice took time off to act as Chief Prosecutor on behalf of the US to condemn their bosses to death. They did i…

> hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers did Nazis claim pre-existing enlisted officers (that pre-date the Nazis) as their own? I mean Erwin Rommel predates the Nazis and was just a professional soldier, but they claimed him as their own, even though he himself always thought them nutjobs, it seems.

That was the Wehrmacht i.e. the Armed Forces. The SS was the paramilitary organization that carried out the holocaust. They were committed Nazis and acted as bodyguards, the secret police, death camp operators, and slave labor exploiters.

Rommel was not a SS member. You can learn more about them here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

Re: Operation Gladio

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Post by formerly_proven »

areoform wrote: post #36
jjtheblunt wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers did Nazis claim pre-existing enlisted officers (that pre-date the Nazis) as their own? I mean Erwin Rommel predates the Nazis and was just a professional soldier, but they claimed him as their own, even though he himself always thought them nutjobs, it seems.

That was the Wehrmacht i.e. the Armed Forces. The SS was the paramilitary organization that carried out the holocaust. They were committed Nazis and acted as bodyguards, the secret police, death camp operators, and slave labor exploiters. Rommel was not a SS member. You can learn more about them here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

> The SS was the paramilitary organization that carried out the holocaust.

Germany carried out the holocaust. Sure, the SS is most associated with it, which should not lead to the false conclusion that holocaust was "an SS thing". It was a German thing. Case in point, the Wehrmacht provided large numbers of personnel for the camps and the whole "clean Wehrmacht" idea started out as a defense in the Nuremberg trials (among other popular ideas such as "I just followed orders").

Re: Operation Gladio

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Post by cagey »

areoform wrote: post #36
jjtheblunt wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers did Nazis claim pre-existing enlisted officers (that pre-date the Nazis) as their own? I mean Erwin Rommel predates the Nazis and was just a professional soldier, but they claimed him as their own, even though he himself always thought them nutjobs, it seems.

That was the Wehrmacht i.e. the Armed Forces. The SS was the paramilitary organization that carried out the holocaust. They were committed Nazis and acted as bodyguards, the secret police, death camp operators, and slave labor exploiters. Rommel was not a SS member. You can learn more about them here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Wehrmacht_myth#End_of_th...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_the_Wehrmacht

Re: Operation Gladio

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Post by xanathar »

sph wrote: post #25
MonkeyClub wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silvio is also tied to the P2 lodge, right?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due Usually one doesn't have to go very deep into secret societies and political ties before landing on the actual and often-memed-about Freemasons. This variant of the story ties nicely with Gladio, Italian intelligence and secret services, politics, far right groups and mysterious deaths in the 70s and 80s. Oh, and of course Silvio Berlusconi. P2 is the Italian version of…

Well, Licio Gelli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli) is not just a "theory".

Then, one can theorize whether there is more about P2 than it has been said or not, especially when it comes to well known politician names, but I wouldn't rule it out as a conspiracy theory: there were official prosecutions, a special commission (whose words incidentally say clearly "[P2] cannot be considered as just another political scandal. This is way different." (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissione_P2)) and special laws that were written/changed for this precise reason.

Then of course when "freemasons" are named, people imagination roams wild, but it was "something" not just pure fantasy/speculation.

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