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Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by boomskats »

kmlx wrote: post #19
anonymousDan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so disingenuous. The whole point is that in a publicly funded health system many people disagree with this access being available in the first place. The UK government tries to paint a picture whereby giving such access will allow a raft of plucky UK startups to revitalize the NHS, when in reality we are just handing over our data and taxpayer money to the likes of Palantir.

publicly funded systems routinely use privately funded solutions. there’s nothing new or special here. that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything.

> that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything.

I believe the mechanism you're advocating for is generally referred to as a dictatorship.

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by fooker »

missedthecue wrote: post #28
atoav wrote: post #23

There are not few companies that do more damage to the societies on earth than they do good. Palantir must be easily in one of the top places of the worst offenders.

What does Palantir do? What do customers pay them for?

Dashboards. That’s it.

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by stepbeek »

oliwarner wrote: post #30
kmlx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

publicly funded systems routinely use privately funded solutions. there’s nothing new or special here. that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything.

No, that's relatively new. The NHS used to own its radiography suites. It used to own its land and buildings. It used to hire doctors and nurses and support staff directly. But because of a [also recent] forced-tender system, and high breakthrough prices on in-housing projects, it was deemed "cheaper" to let private providers burden the upfront costs of equipment, land and building management, and short contract mana…

Yes! The UK has viewed private sector efficiency as axiomatic throughout my life. The New Statesmen has a good article on the systemic impact of such decisions in the current issue: https://magazine.newstatesman.com/2022/09/28/dieter-helm-cap...

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by boomskats »

oliwarner wrote: post #30
kmlx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

publicly funded systems routinely use privately funded solutions. there’s nothing new or special here. that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything.

No, that's relatively new. The NHS used to own its radiography suites. It used to own its land and buildings. It used to hire doctors and nurses and support staff directly. But because of a [also recent] forced-tender system, and high breakthrough prices on in-housing projects, it was deemed "cheaper" to let private providers burden the upfront costs of equipment, land and building management, and short contract mana…

Sadly, selling it off to private US social care firms will be deemed the only solution to our recently imposed budget deficit.

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

boomskats wrote: post #31
kmlx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

publicly funded systems routinely use privately funded solutions. there’s nothing new or special here. that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything.

> that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything. I believe the mechanism you're advocating for is generally referred to as a dictatorship.

Charitably, I think they meant Unanimity is the exception, not the norm.

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by wanderlust123 »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #9
3746648 wrote: post #3

Bloomberg used to be better. This is basically a non-story. The 'secret plan' was to use the nefarious mechanism of... Buying access that was for sale. All the allusions to shadyhandedness are just there to justify the existence of a story about Palantir because the author knew a story about a controversial company would propagate better even if it was devoid of anything meaningful to say.

It is the subject: NHS, Peter Thiel, CIA, Silicon Valley, privatization...the media coverage on this sort of stuff in the UK is deranged. Palantir is just offering a "shiny dashboard", we should build your own...it is that easy, just knock up a Palantir competitor in a weekend (the NHS has decent tech units, but core NHS is like this...they hire £20k "devs", ask why they are getting hacked all the time, nothing works…

Can you link the listed company? Curious to see what they actually do

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by sleet10 »

boomskats wrote: post #31
kmlx wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

publicly funded systems routinely use privately funded solutions. there’s nothing new or special here. that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything.

> that fact that people disagree means nothing and should be ignored as people disagree all the times about anything and everything. I believe the mechanism you're advocating for is generally referred to as a dictatorship.

“”…Patient trust is vital to our NHS, so foreign tech companies such as Palantir, with their history of supporting mass surveillance, assisting in drone strikes, immigration raids and predictive policing, must not be placed at the heart of our NHS,” British lawmaker David Davis, a member of the Conservative Party and former Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, said during a House of Commons debate in June 2021.” “…Palantir’s history as a “Peter Thiel-backed, CIA-initiated company” could deter patients from sharing their data. “We should get rid of Palantir and build our own open-source software…”” …on the other hand, from: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/21/palantir-con... “…Louis Mosley said Palantir’s origins were as a defender of personal privacy. “Palantir was actually started to guard against government overreach into personal privacy. Much of the software we’ve built is to prove [sic] those kinds of protections.”…” …from: https://www.tatler.com/gallery/most-glamorous-mitford-descen... : “…Louis Mosley, is the eldest grandson of Sir Oswald and Diana Mosley (née Mitford) and head of London operations for data firm, Palantir. Before Mosley’s successful career at the sleek software company (which had a role in tracking down terrorist Bin Laden in 2011), the 38-year-old was a Conservative party activist. Politics has run through Louis’ family for generations as his grandparents, Sir Oswald and Diana Mosley, became key figures in Britain’s far-right political movement in the 1930s.” ( …Oswald Mosley, btw.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley )

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by iLoveOncall »

gsatic wrote: post #4

There has been talk of an EU version of Palantir for a while now. Anyone know what the latest news is? Technically it doesnt look like there is anything too complex about what Foundary does.

Palantir is a contracting company. What do you mean by an "EU version of Palantir"? It doesn't make sense.

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by collegeburner »

paganel wrote: post #17
collegeburner wrote: post #8

oh no, strategic m&a to enter a new market, getting a customer base and acquihiring a team with local experience? that's evil! i have lots of issues with palantir's applications spying on law abiding citizens and expanding government power but, uhh, this aint it chief.

> that's evil! Not a Brit, so not directly involved, but, yes, letting private enterprise sneaking their way in into a government-run health system is the beginning of pure evil.

how is publicly acquiring a company, then entering a competitive bid priced against competition, "sneaking in"? nobody's sneaking here.

Re: Palantir Had Secret Plan to Crack UK’s NHS: ‘Buying Our Way In’

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Post by gberger »

gsatic wrote: post #4

There has been talk of an EU version of Palantir for a while now. Anyone know what the latest news is? Technically it doesnt look like there is anything too complex about what Foundary does.

Helsing https://helsing.ai/ is gearing up to be the Palantir of Europe - at least in the military AI field. One of its cofounders was a software architect at Palantir.
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