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Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Is any of this much different from pop boy bands of the 00's? You make generic, catchy songs that are hard to resist. Then have a group of four or five attractive teens perform the song. And then Highlight each individual so people form a parasocial relationship with the band members. The fanaticism follows quite easily from there.

It seems the K-pop industry has come up with a somewhat repeatable machine for churning out these bands: they manage everything from scouting young talent and training them, writing the songs, merch, events, etc?

It's no different to what has been happening in the music industry for decades. Many of the most popular pop songs are written by third parties and the recording companies will often pair artists with experienced producers and tour managers.

The popularity of K-pop is more an artefact of the US mainstream favouring individual rap/hip-hop over dance-centric boy/girl bands and leaving a large opening in the market.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Is any of this much different from pop boy bands of the 00's? You make generic, catchy songs that are hard to resist. Then have a group of four or five attractive teens perform the song. And then Highlight each individual so people form a parasocial relationship with the band members. The fanaticism follows quite easily from there.

The key with East Asian group bands is a revolving lineup of members so you always have a fresh product to sell to each years target demographic.

The biggest K-pop bands are Blackpink, BTS, Twice etc.

All are well-established and have no revolving lineup.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Is any of this much different from pop boy bands of the 00's? You make generic, catchy songs that are hard to resist. Then have a group of four or five attractive teens perform the song. And then Highlight each individual so people form a parasocial relationship with the band members. The fanaticism follows quite easily from there.

It’s wildly different. Not a sports guy but it’s like NFL vs CFL. Sure they’re both football but the industries built around them are millions of miles apart. Kpop has the support and resources of a nation state with an explicit objective to become the world’s leading exporter of culture.

The behaviours of the K-pop fans in my life don’t resemble anything like the fans of boy bands growing up. Do you remember vast swathes of wealthy, intelligent 30-40yr olds listening to Backstreet Boys, selling and trading merch, building shrines, etc

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, the best Swedish pop songwriters in the world could probably do a really good job on the musical accompaniment to a K-pop song, but they're likely to be among the worst possible people to write the song . Any three-year-old Korean kid would be a better choice.

Nope, they're doing just fine writing for BTS etc.: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/arts/music/sweden-kpop-bt...

But they aren't. The headline of that very article (ok, the subhed) notes that they aren't capable of writing Korean songs and don't try. This is repeated in the text:

> Carlebecker writes in English, and then Korean songwriters add new lyrics to her melodies

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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post #9

Is any of this much different from pop boy bands of the 00's? You make generic, catchy songs that are hard to resist. Then have a group of four or five attractive teens perform the song. And then Highlight each individual so people form a parasocial relationship with the band members. The fanaticism follows quite easily from there.

It’s wildly different. Not a sports guy but it’s like NFL vs CFL. Sure they’re both football but the industries built around them are millions of miles apart. Kpop has the support and resources of a nation state with an explicit objective to become the world’s leading exporter of culture. The behaviours of the K-pop fans in my life don’t resemble anything like the fans of boy bands growing up. Do you remember vast sw…

If the behavior of 30-40 year olds are the only difference, and if they had social media back then, it’s highly likely that they might have.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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You missed use the most mentally ill teenagers you can find to work 24/7 into creating tweets with your hashtag so it reaches top 10 worldwide or at least in a few countries, K-pop bands do that, a lot: https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/the-stans-who-post-so-mu...

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Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s wildly different. Not a sports guy but it’s like NFL vs CFL. Sure they’re both football but the industries built around them are millions of miles apart. Kpop has the support and resources of a nation state with an explicit objective to become the world’s leading exporter of culture. The behaviours of the K-pop fans in my life don’t resemble anything like the fans of boy bands growing up. Do you remember vast sw…

If the behavior of 30-40 year olds are the only difference, and if they had social media back then, it’s highly likely that they might have.

I think there was an enormous amount of innovation and ingenuity required to broaden a market so narrow that it only included preteens to the entire globe across all sex, age, and cultures.

I understand your point but there’s more interesting analysis here than “this is the same it’s been done before.”

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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How about build a product people love? There are so many reasons listed in the article, and there are so many counter examples where companies did the opposite and still built a rabid fan base. The only unifying thread is that people will deify products they love.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s wildly different. Not a sports guy but it’s like NFL vs CFL. Sure they’re both football but the industries built around them are millions of miles apart. Kpop has the support and resources of a nation state with an explicit objective to become the world’s leading exporter of culture. The behaviours of the K-pop fans in my life don’t resemble anything like the fans of boy bands growing up. Do you remember vast sw…

If the behavior of 30-40 year olds are the only difference, and if they had social media back then, it’s highly likely that they might have.

The parasocial intensity is something else.

Stans (who take their name from Eminem’s song “Stan”, where it wasn’t a positive association) get quite intense, to the point of breaking and entering private property, stalking and causing road accidents, writing messages in their blood, even poisoning them, and that’s just the “selected incidents” on Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasaeng_fan

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Is any of this much different from pop boy bands of the 00's? You make generic, catchy songs that are hard to resist. Then have a group of four or five attractive teens perform the song. And then Highlight each individual so people form a parasocial relationship with the band members. The fanaticism follows quite easily from there.

The key with East Asian group bands is a revolving lineup of members so you always have a fresh product to sell to each years target demographic.

This was the old Japanese supergroup model with AKB48 etc, but it never worked outside Japan and is starting to fail there as well.
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