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Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#31

Mobile networks should of course be classified as critical infrastructure, and thus be exempt from any rolling blackouts.

They already are. The article is just sensationalist. And from all providers, they picked Deutsche Telekom, which is like the provider with the worst reputation in terms of reliability and service. Of course the german internet is in shambles if you ask DTAG... because theirs is.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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I strongly strongly doubt that critical emergency call infrastructure will be blacked out before literally anything else. Even when massive ice buildup took down a whole region's power grid in my home EU country, mobile cell towers were the first to be kept up and brought online to allow emergency services and citizens to communicate. This feels like a nothing burger from Reuters (which is publishing some seriously d…

Indeed, they will just black out together with everything else. They are generally not on separate distribution circuits. They do have some limited backup power though.

The ones I was helping deploy usually had generators as backup because the requirements from the government was that emergency call infrastructure works when power goes out.

I can see smaller network operators save money on backups, but major monopolies usually don't have a choice in this manner.

So I wonder which regions don't do that?

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#33

Imagine using easily expendable and non-renewable resources, subjecting the very processes our civilization is sustained by to a great risk of failure while having an almost inexhaustible source of energy that was invented more than 50 years ago. Surely that would be a madness and no reasonable organization would do this, right?

According to IAEA data, there is considerably more minable coal than uranium on earth (by extractible energy). Current nuclear reactors are not scalable to global energy requirements.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#36
I see a lot of confusion in the comments about why cell towers would be impacted. Load shedding in the grid occurs across regions of the grid. The power companies don’t choose which specific sites to cut off. If cellular infrastructure is in part of the grid that gets disconnected, it will go down too (after exhausting its backup supply).

The top priority for keeping power on goes to grid segments with life-sustaining equipment. If you live within a grid segment that also powers a hospital you will likely not be subject to load shedding.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#37
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I've been in South Africa for the last month, which has had an energy crisis since around 2007 and somehow they manage to keep mobile networks up during load shedding. There are 2:30 hour (sometimes 4:30 hour) blackouts daily and yet everything seems to keep chugging along. Mobile towers are probably have some of the highest electricity:benefit ratios out there, it would be silly to not prioritize them.

The less reliable the grid, the more backup power is planned into infrastructure like cell towers. In Europe the grid has historically been quite reliable, so backup options are likely more limited at these sites.

My wife is from SA. There, every supermarket and even smaller stores have generators because blackouts are frequent.

A few years ago, we had a bigger 6h or so power outage, all the stores had to throw tons of products away because there was literally no redundant power supply at all. It was my 2nd power outage in Germany in over 30 years.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#38

Imagine using easily expendable and non-renewable resources, subjecting the very processes our civilization is sustained by to a great risk of failure while having an almost inexhaustible source of energy that was invented more than 50 years ago. Surely that would be a madness and no reasonable organization would do this, right?

Is the inexhaustible uranium in your comment?

I’m unclear. Uranium is fine. But it’s totally exhaust-able.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

#39

Mobile networks should of course be classified as critical infrastructure, and thus be exempt from any rolling blackouts.

Too little time to implement that before the winter. Mobile phones used to be supplemental to the old fixed phone network, which is on separate power.

Re: Europe braces for mobile network blackouts

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I've been in South Africa for the last month, which has had an energy crisis since around 2007 and somehow they manage to keep mobile networks up during load shedding. There are 2:30 hour (sometimes 4:30 hour) blackouts daily and yet everything seems to keep chugging along. Mobile towers are probably have some of the highest electricity:benefit ratios out there, it would be silly to not prioritize them.

The less reliable the grid, the more backup power is planned into infrastructure like cell towers. In Europe the grid has historically been quite reliable, so backup options are likely more limited at these sites.

Yes: this is the same as when an inch of snow shuts down a warm city and people from cold cities say "we handle worse storms several times a month". People engineer for likely conditions, and those aren't the same everywhere.
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