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Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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The unmentioned reason is that, even in the UK, cannabis use is growing. Given the choice between the two - especially with the gender differences mentioned - it seems obvious why people would choose weed over booze or nothing over both.

American here -- visiting the UK and related destinations .. it was astonishing the amount of drinking (and smoking) that was considered OK .. really, really too much drinking in many places I visited. If the UK can find a way to tone down the alcohol, that seems positive to me.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Question: Why has smoking all but been extinguished and is now viewed as gross and trashy (as it should), while alcohol has retained its glamour? Do governments need to start mandating pictures of people with alcohol poisoning on every bottle and can? Do restaurants need to start banning alcohol from their venues?

Certain forms of alcohol (wine & beer & formerly mead) consumption run deep in European (at least) culture. Like, almost 10,000 years deep. They're part of a bundle of cuisine and agricultural traditions. It is possible for most people to consume them responsibly and in moderation. Obviously there are outliers, and distilled and budget alcohol is trickier. But there is an avenue for "respectable" use of the commodity.

Cigarettes by contrast are an industrial product explicitly made to be addictive. I'd guess? at least half of people who start to consume them become addicted and it becomes habitual. (Though I should say I and others I know who 'smoked' recreationally @ college age at clubs etc never did become addicted, or quit fairly easily)

Tobacco itself also has deep cultural roots; ritually among indigenous North Americans, and also among post-colonial Europeans&North Americans in pipe tobacco and cigars. But that's not the same thing at all as cigarettes. I smoke a pipe now and then during the summer, and it rarely if ever leads to cravings.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That person said, paraphrased, that if a drunk woman cheats then the woman gets blamed for infidelity (implying it’s somehow someone else’s fault, maybe her partner or the person she hooks up with?). Yes, if you cheat, you are a cheater. Guess I’m too old to follow her reasoning beyond that.

She did phrase that poorly, but starts with "you get a harsher punishment for poor decisions" , I assume she means in comparison to men.

That's still bad. If they make such a bold claim, back it up properly. It just comes across as a "woe is me and all the ladies" now.

It's not like we lack ample counterarguments either.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Question: Why has smoking all but been extinguished and is now viewed as gross and trashy (as it should), while alcohol has retained its glamour? Do governments need to start mandating pictures of people with alcohol poisoning on every bottle and can? Do restaurants need to start banning alcohol from their venues?

>Do restaurants need to start banning alcohol from their venues?

No, otherwise many of them would go out of business.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Question: Why has smoking all but been extinguished and is now viewed as gross and trashy (as it should), while alcohol has retained its glamour? Do governments need to start mandating pictures of people with alcohol poisoning on every bottle and can? Do restaurants need to start banning alcohol from their venues?

Because they tried to ban alcohol before and it didn't go too well.

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The bigger question is why isn't sobriety viewed as the default position rather than the exception? I mean, nobody would ask why young people are saying "no" to crack cocaine.

Couldn't agree more. I've been asked countless times why I don't drink, especially in the first year of university, and it always seemed odd to me that people even needed an answer. I'm not talking about people just making conversation or asking out of curiosity, but a vocal minority seem to make some sort of character judgement based on your sobriety if they're not satisfied by your response.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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I'll say why I am. I don't even know what it's like to be under the influence of alcohol...and I love it. The type of social situations with a bunch of people laughing and tipsy is repulsive to me. I have been to a few such situations and it is universally a waste of time.

Isn't there a difference between not hanging out with drunk people and not drinking alcohol? Some people have a glass of wine with their meal, for instance.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Question: Why has smoking all but been extinguished and is now viewed as gross and trashy (as it should), while alcohol has retained its glamour? Do governments need to start mandating pictures of people with alcohol poisoning on every bottle and can? Do restaurants need to start banning alcohol from their venues?

Alcohol (ethanol) when used properly is a very effective medicine. It blocks several ion channels linked to disease, like the Voltage Gated Calcium Ion Channels.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8894851/

Nicotine is another such drug and relieves some symptoms of Parkinson's and Alzheimer possibly though its affect on AcH receptors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_acetylcholine_recept...

The problem is not the substance but the culture which is formed around the substance.

My grandfather drank Vodka everyday of his happy life and lived till he was 98. I rely on Vodka as part of my medicine if if you take that away from me I will be very upset and sick.

Re: Reasons young people are choosing sobriety

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Once you stop drinking the hangovers get worse and worse. The pandemic removed the pressure to drink (for some) and now it’s really hard to lose an entire day to feeling like garbage in exchange for a couple hours of partying. I still drink one or two socially but anymore and my next day is a mess.
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