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Silicon Valley slips back to Bro culture

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I want Silicon Valley to produce quality products and innovation. I don't care what culture it has as long as it respects the Constitution and the laws of the land and everyone gets a fair chance on the basis of the work they actually produce. NY Times has declined big time in recent years.

NYT has slipped into outrage culture

I'd say not just NYT but journalism and culture as a whole has.

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I want Silicon Valley to produce quality products and innovation. I don't care what culture it has as long as it respects the Constitution and the laws of the land and everyone gets a fair chance on the basis of the work they actually produce. NY Times has declined big time in recent years.

What an inanely dumb comment - could've been written by Trump himself.

I don't particularly care for the NYT, but I've found that people with overly simplistic and hyper-narrow views of the world have become more common in silicon valley in the last 8 or so years. Chances are the reason for this is exactly what the article calls out, silicon valley was once about technology and innovation, it is now about business. It hence attracts business people and has changed the general populace of it quite a bit.

> I don't care what culture it has as long as it respects the Constitution and the laws of the land

You know that there are people outside America right? The "constitution" is not a global concept, but Silicon Valley cannot thrive without globalization.

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At this point I don't expect anything good from the New York Times.

Every time there's a piece critical on tech from a news site, I remind myself that the news media holds a gigantic grudge against tech for taking away their audiences and their profits. It's a valid grudge, but it of course colors everything they write about tech.

Do you really think the media industry behaves a single entity and churns out pieces because the entity as a whole is jealous of tech?

I don't care about the NYT, but do you really see andreessen horowitz, elon musks and the likes as anything more than shysters?

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I want Silicon Valley to produce quality products and innovation. I don't care what culture it has as long as it respects the Constitution and the laws of the land and everyone gets a fair chance on the basis of the work they actually produce. NY Times has declined big time in recent years.

The only thing Silicon Valley produces now are 1. venture capital pyramid schemes, 2. adware privacy-invading nightmares, 3. the next "x" with "x" being some successful social network that they want to make even worse so it can be monetized more easily, 4. buildings in which executives and managers sit, controlling far-flung centers of innovation where actual work happens, and 5. whatever HP is vomiting out next quar…

This is a very cynical take. Incremental innovation has captured most of the attention in the last decade but there are a lot of smart people in SV working in AI which will lead to real innovation in personal computing and robotics this decade. Some of these innovations will emerge out of smaller companies that are "classic venture bets" and will give big tech a run for its money.

Does't mean that innovation isn't happening elsewhere but SV still leads in raw talent density in everything related to computing.

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I want Silicon Valley to produce quality products and innovation. I don't care what culture it has as long as it respects the Constitution and the laws of the land and everyone gets a fair chance on the basis of the work they actually produce. NY Times has declined big time in recent years.

What an inanely dumb comment - could've been written by Trump himself. I don't particularly care for the NYT, but I've found that people with overly simplistic and hyper-narrow views of the world have become more common in silicon valley in the last 8 or so years. Chances are the reason for this is exactly what the article calls out, silicon valley was once about technology and innovation, it is now about business. I…

Would you please edit name-calling and swipes out of your HN comments? They're against the site guidelines and evoke even worse from others. Please make your substantive points without any of that. Your comment here would be fine (and more persuasive) without those bits.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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You assume everyone who dislikes Thiel and his ilk is a "dem", and no, I'd dislike them the same way I have a strong distaste for both Cuomos.

>You assume everyone who dislikes Thiel and his ilk is a "dem"

No, just most. Especially if Joe Rogan is added to the list, then 60% of the time is all about cultural politics every time

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I still don’t know what “bro culture” is. At one time I thought it meant fraternity bros, as in the WASPy “my dad is a lawyer, let’s get blackout drunk” kind of bro. But in the last few years I’ve seen it associated with Silicon Valley, a place filled with engineers who worked themselves to the bone for huge paydays. To me the two groups are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Jocks vs nerds. The only thing I see in c…

It's a continuous stream of baseless, chiding articles like this that have tanked the NYT's credibility. If you really think tech firms have a Bro Culture, you've either never met a Bro or have no idea what tech culture is like.

It feels like nowadays it really doesn't matter if author is familiar with the topic. Most of the time a superficial knowledge about the stuff will be enough to throw assumptions and accusations all around to see if these stick and if they don't, then buzz created for views and user profiling will be enough. Content produced, ka-ching - money earned, cheers and 'till next time.

I wonder when was the approximate moment when journalism become more a casual blogging about anything.

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I still don’t know what “bro culture” is. At one time I thought it meant fraternity bros, as in the WASPy “my dad is a lawyer, let’s get blackout drunk” kind of bro. But in the last few years I’ve seen it associated with Silicon Valley, a place filled with engineers who worked themselves to the bone for huge paydays. To me the two groups are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Jocks vs nerds. The only thing I see in c…

Not sure by what strange logic you interpreted this as an attack on “men”. They’re using “bro” in a similar sense to how it was used to describe Martin Shkreli as a “pharma bro”. Specifically, it’s unrelated to “hard work” and precisely related to the kinds of narratives that these people spin. We’re seeing a shift in narratives away from a focus on qualitative innovation, speaking of products and engineering intrica…

It’s certainly not an attack on women. “Bros” are always men. “Bro” behavior is part of the male biological drive.

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I think the article makes a valid point in kind of a silly way, which is to hold up five or six of the absolute worst outliers of the industry to make a point about inequality. Are they a useful reference point to represent the problem? Yes, but that should have segued the article deeper into the weeds of why this is happening and how it can be fixed. There's an implication that some massive sea change might have bee…

Stories sell better than data. If you pitch a software deal with “Look at company X eating the lunch of company Y, who chose someone else” you will sell more than “We see a 12% profitability increase with a 73% confidence level”

Same with news.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure by what strange logic you interpreted this as an attack on “men”. They’re using “bro” in a similar sense to how it was used to describe Martin Shkreli as a “pharma bro”. Specifically, it’s unrelated to “hard work” and precisely related to the kinds of narratives that these people spin. We’re seeing a shift in narratives away from a focus on qualitative innovation, speaking of products and engineering intrica…

It’s certainly not an attack on women. “Bros” are always men. “Bro” behavior is part of the male biological drive.

Citation needed
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