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Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

#31

As someone who does JavaScript and HTML5 UIs for a living, I'm interested to understand more about the market of customers who pay for UI components or libraries. Can anyone comment point me to an successful MVP in this area or tell me about customers who buy this stuff?

Generally the same people who buy Windows Server, businesses and governments. ExtJS is reasonably popular, probably the best example I can think of here (but I'm not in the market).

http://www.sencha.com/products/extjs/

Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

#32

As someone who does JavaScript and HTML5 UIs for a living, I'm interested to understand more about the market of customers who pay for UI components or libraries. Can anyone comment point me to an successful MVP in this area or tell me about customers who buy this stuff?

Fortune 500 and mid-market companies are the target market. I've consulted at several in the Chicago area that strongly prefer to work with a vendor who can provide long-term support and training.

No MVPs to offer, but Sencha and Highcharts are making a living licensing their Javascript libraries. If you're interested in this market, I'd recommend libraries for building complex infographics. Something beyond the standard business charts you see everywhere.

Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

#33
I checked this out when researching a few frameworks for a new application. Even though it was an ASP.Net project we decided to go with Dojo http://dojotoolkit.org which I feel has a better product and model. It's free but if you need professional support you can get it through Sitepen.com. I've been impressed with it so far.

Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

#34

As someone who does JavaScript and HTML5 UIs for a living, I'm interested to understand more about the market of customers who pay for UI components or libraries. Can anyone comment point me to an successful MVP in this area or tell me about customers who buy this stuff?

Here's my explanation from experience...

99% of writing code is basic stuff that anyone out of school can do.

(Yes I made 99% up out of thin air but in my experience it's reasonably accurate)

In the world there are a lot of programmers that can do 99% of the work fine but who freeze at a problem. This isn't meant as a criticism. These people are good workers, good citizens, and so on. But in my experience they are the type of people who got a CS degree because they heard "it was the future" and are happy with a 9 to 5 job where they don't have to think about technology or code past 5:01 PM

When you supervise coding in a corporate environment you generally have 1 or 2 stars and then a bunch of other guys who fit the above description. You don't want your stars constantly being distracted by the others when they hit a problem so you seek out tools with support contracts. Then when someone hits a problem they file a support request and move on to something else until they get a response.

When support solves the problem those guys go back to coding the 99% of the stuff that they can do and everyone's happy for a fraction of the price.

$399 a year is cheap when it allows you to hire programmers who are competent but not stars (and who are accordingly cheaper)

Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

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post #25

Just wondering why you would pick this over say jquery-ui or a combination of free and open source solutions?

This is way slicker than what you could build using jquery-ui and available plugins unless you are rockstar with the js and have an excellent design person. For instance, the best time-picker plugin I've been able to find for jquery-ui is nice but isn't perfectly cross-browser and not as pretty: http://labs.perifer.se/timedatepicker/ Now look at the Kendo time picker. Design and usability are crucial to a successful…

Their time picker is fine as it's little more than a combo box for the end user. Their date picker however isn't any better than any other I've seen and almost all of them have usability or discoverability problems. In this case entering dates in the far past or future requires a lot of clicks, and for me significantly more effort than typing the date. It's also not terribly discoverable as there's not a visual indication that I could see indicating the year portion of the widget was clickable and could be used to drill down into selecting other years, decades, etc.

Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

#36

Please don't consider using this at least until they make their own demo accessible to non mouse users (I raised the same complaint the last time this was posted, no change).

Honestly, I wouldn't hold your breath. You're probably so far on the fringe that it's not worth their time to fix it for you. They're demo works fine on my phone (Opera Mobile browser), the only mouseless interface I use.

I'm all for keyboard navigation, but I'm not at the point of boycotting if somebody doesn't support keyboard-only interaction.

Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

#37
post #25

Just wondering why you would pick this over say jquery-ui or a combination of free and open source solutions?

This is way slicker than what you could build using jquery-ui and available plugins unless you are rockstar with the js and have an excellent design person. For instance, the best time-picker plugin I've been able to find for jquery-ui is nice but isn't perfectly cross-browser and not as pretty: http://labs.perifer.se/timedatepicker/ Now look at the Kendo time picker. Design and usability are crucial to a successful…

What about this one?

http://trentrichardson.com/examples/timepicker/

It extends the standard jQuery UI datepicker but you can turn off the date picker part leaving the time picker.

Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

#38

Please don't consider using this at least until they make their own demo accessible to non mouse users (I raised the same complaint the last time this was posted, no change).

Honestly, I wouldn't hold your breath. You're probably so far on the fringe that it's not worth their time to fix it for you. They're demo works fine on my phone (Opera Mobile browser), the only mouseless interface I use. I'm all for keyboard navigation, but I'm not at the point of boycotting if somebody doesn't support keyboard-only interaction.

While it is only a minor annoyance for me, there are plenty more mentally and physically disabled people for which it is a major one.

Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

#39

Please don't consider using this at least until they make their own demo accessible to non mouse users (I raised the same complaint the last time this was posted, no change).

Honestly, I wouldn't hold your breath. You're probably so far on the fringe that it's not worth their time to fix it for you. They're demo works fine on my phone (Opera Mobile browser), the only mouseless interface I use. I'm all for keyboard navigation, but I'm not at the point of boycotting if somebody doesn't support keyboard-only interaction.

If you have to work with the US government, it's actually an issue: http://www.section508.gov/

From what I'm told by the "business guys", making your stuff accessiblt to the handicapped is a realy leg-up on some juicy contracts.

Re: Kendo UI is out of beta

#40

As someone who does JavaScript and HTML5 UIs for a living, I'm interested to understand more about the market of customers who pay for UI components or libraries. Can anyone comment point me to an successful MVP in this area or tell me about customers who buy this stuff?

I consider myself a potential customer - I'm a developer who can do the whole stack, including front-end JS/CSS/HTML, but I don't have strong design aesthetics. In other words, I'm not a designer. Therefore, being able to leverage some slick UI components is nice! To me, this is similar to purchasing a theme from theme forest.
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