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Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by ianai »

motohagiography wrote: post #25
tantalor wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Someone appears to be making a play for her magazine editor role and this is basically oppo-research on behalf of whomever they want in place. What, are you just making this up?

Who digs up a scan of a pre-internet article to post on twitter to take a shot at someone who is at best a marginal and obscure public figure with an influential job? I wasn't the one who tried to slander someone with decades old pre-internet comments, but I am certainly hypothesizing that the person behind the twitter account is, and that is bog standard politics, as are low quality sock puppet comments in forums.

Google: “ Bernadette Morra. Editor in Chief, FASHION magazine. ”

The twitter poster is a buzzfeed news politics journalist.

Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by NobodyNada »

bombcar wrote: post #13
FredPret wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to nitpick about your usage of the hoi polloi, because “hoi” means “the.” But this is the wiki entry: “Some linguists argue that, given that hoi is a definite article, the phrase "the hoi polloi" is redundant, akin to saying "the the masses". Others argue that this is inconsistent with other English loanwords.[11] The word "alcohol", for instance, derives from the Arabic al-kuhl, al being an article, yet…

We say "The La Brea Tar Pits" without a second thought.

But the “The” applies to “tar pits”, not “La Brea”, as in “The Panama Canal” or “The Seattle Seahawks”.

Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

motohagiography wrote: post #25
tantalor wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Someone appears to be making a play for her magazine editor role and this is basically oppo-research on behalf of whomever they want in place. What, are you just making this up?

Who digs up a scan of a pre-internet article to post on twitter to take a shot at someone who is at best a marginal and obscure public figure with an influential job? I wasn't the one who tried to slander someone with decades old pre-internet comments, but I am certainly hypothesizing that the person behind the twitter account is, and that is bog standard politics, as are low quality sock puppet comments in forums.

This sort of thinking fails the Occam’s Razor pretty hard.

Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by afavour »

tinalumfoil wrote: post #17

A lot of journalists covered 9/11, so I'm not sure that this particular fashion reporter didn't seem to care is all that interesting. I do think it's an interesting case in the level of acceptability in the actions and admissions of semi-public figures like journalists. Today there's lots of commotion about people posting their hot takes on the Queen's death, a lot of which obviously regrettable. There's lots of even…

> A lot of journalists covered 9/11, so I'm not sure that this particular fashion reporter didn't seem to care is all that interesting.

To an extent I agree with you but as one tweet in the thread notes she sat in a hospital and spoke to survivors but didn't actually recount any of their stories. That feels like kind of a journalistic failure to me.

Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by 4ndr3vv »

FredPret wrote: post #9
theprincess wrote: post #2

I honestly admire the fashion editor. Her life is laser focused on looking great and tracking the developments of high fashion. Events that shake the hoi polloi to their core barely even register to her. A queen.

I was going to nitpick about your usage of the hoi polloi, because “hoi” means “the.” But this is the wiki entry: “Some linguists argue that, given that hoi is a definite article, the phrase "the hoi polloi" is redundant, akin to saying "the the masses". Others argue that this is inconsistent with other English loanwords.[11] The word "alcohol", for instance, derives from the Arabic al-kuhl, al being an article, yet…

Genuine question: When have you ever heard Hoi Polloi being used without being preceded by "the" ? Seems to universally be used as "the hoi polloi" (albeit, in English)

Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by bee_rider »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #24
bee_rider wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does prescriptivism interact with wikipedia? Since wikipedia can (in the ideal at least) be edited by anyone, I'd expect it to match common usage more closely than a normal encyclopedia.

I mean just reading the article about it would tell you how useless it is try to nitpick things like this.

It is useless because it is nitpicking. But still, descriptive rules for a language can still be pretty specific and complicated, so even if we toss out all prescriptivism that won't free us from corrections I think.

Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by nathanvanfleet »

I read a bit of it and just thought "okay I guess she wasn't prepared for 9/11, just like everyone else." Is it supposed to be funny that this single person who didn't work in that kind of journalism was somehow not ready to walk to ground zero?

Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by something2 »

aqme28 wrote: post #30
something2 wrote: post #4

I actually think it's unfortunate that she didn't focus more on fashion. There are so, so many accounts of 9/11 that focus on the facts and the immediate tragedy. But I'm willing to bet that 9/11 impacted industries and people significantly even if they weren't directly involved. I have little to no interest in fashion, but I'd find an article on the impact of 9/11 on the fashion capital of North America a much more…

> I actually think it's unfortunate that she didn't focus more on fashion. There's plenty to say about the impact on fashion in the wake of 9/11, but there's nothing really to say regarding the day of the attack itself. I don't think that the fashion of the victims in the hospital would have been an insightful thing to write about.

I disagree. I found the comment on how Häute Couture stores like YSK were closed yet people were lining up at Macy's to buy underwear a very telling emotional response to 9/11.

She doesn't write about the fashion of the victims at all. Rather she talks about about the trauma. She talks about how the delays for fashions show. Hints at controversy with some designers dropping out and hosting their own releases.

She's writing this article on September 20 so it's not like she can talk about long term effects either.

Edit: Reread your comment and I realized I misunderstood. I think we're in agreement that there wasn't any immediate effects to the fashion industry that she could write about. Although... Now I'm curious what the long term impacts actually were

Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by something2 »

bastawhiz wrote: post #16
something2 wrote: post #4

I actually think it's unfortunate that she didn't focus more on fashion. There are so, so many accounts of 9/11 that focus on the facts and the immediate tragedy. But I'm willing to bet that 9/11 impacted industries and people significantly even if they weren't directly involved. I have little to no interest in fashion, but I'd find an article on the impact of 9/11 on the fashion capital of North America a much more…

I think the point was that she was so bad at her job that she wasn't going to write anything about the attack, at all, whatsoever. She spent most of the time trying to dictate things she'd already written over the phone. She didn't have the initiative to walk to ground zero. And then what she did write was a story about how she was sad the fun events were cancelled but she wasn't that sad because she had appletinis.…

I mean she's a journalist, but not all journalist sign up for in-the-trenches investigations. I doubt anyone here would expect Marques Brownlee to write about a terrorist attack and be disappointed he didn't try to find his way past police barriers.

Re: Unfortunately for the Star, that person was their fashion editor

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Post by burkaman »

motohagiography wrote: post #25
tantalor wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Someone appears to be making a play for her magazine editor role and this is basically oppo-research on behalf of whomever they want in place. What, are you just making this up?

Who digs up a scan of a pre-internet article to post on twitter to take a shot at someone who is at best a marginal and obscure public figure with an influential job? I wasn't the one who tried to slander someone with decades old pre-internet comments, but I am certainly hypothesizing that the person behind the twitter account is, and that is bog standard politics, as are low quality sock puppet comments in forums.

I would, I do that kind of thing all the time. Finding obscure interesting things on the internet is fun, it's like solving a puzzle, and it feels good to show people who thought something was too old and lost forever.
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