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Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re in a simulator, aren’t they?

You mean they trained for this in a simulator? Probably yes. Was this incident in a simulator? Nope. This was a live pull in a real world scenario. Edit: ah I see, the video footage. I was unable to watch due to mobile. My apologies!

The embedded video is in a simulator. The article contains no pictures or video related to a real world deployment.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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For those wondering at the context, this is a company that builds well-liked small aircraft with the unique feature of having a last-resort emergency parachute for the entire plane built into the fuselage.

It's no longer considered a last-resort measure. Cirrus training now says to consider it as a first resort.

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I'll be really curious to see what the reason for the deployment was. If it was listed elsewhere, I have missed it. Looking at the CAPS pulls on SR22## aircraft, the primary reasons are almost always either 1) pilot error or 2) engine issues. Getting to the point of being insurable in a VisionJet is likely no small feat, though I admit I have no idea what the minimums and/or ratings required are to obtain an affordab…

Based on the preliminary report, it seems like bad weather?

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20220909-...

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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I'll be really curious to see what the reason for the deployment was. If it was listed elsewhere, I have missed it. Looking at the CAPS pulls on SR22## aircraft, the primary reasons are almost always either 1) pilot error or 2) engine issues. Getting to the point of being insurable in a VisionJet is likely no small feat, though I admit I have no idea what the minimums and/or ratings required are to obtain an affordab…

While the official report on the reason will probably not come out for a while, there is some speculation that it was due to convective activity (thunderstorms) in the region. Someone on the Cirrus pilots forum looked up the weather at the time of the incident, and it looked like there was some decently heavy precipitation along the approach path.

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"no life threatening injuries", but notably did not walk away from the crash. There's a lot in between those two.

> One occupant was seriously injured, and two of the three occupants received minor injuries.

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20220909-...

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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AVweb did an interesting video a couple of years ago, "Are Planes With Parachutes Really Safer?":

> The Cirrus line of aircraft have been flying for 20 years and although most people in aviation know they have full aircraft parachutes, it's fair to ask how effective these have been. With more than 90 uses of the so-called CAPS, has the system really saved lives? In this video, AVweb's Paul Bertorelli analyzes the record.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT58pzY41wA

Concludes that parachutes a generally a good thing, and even though the Cirrus aircraft fleet has grown from 5000 to 7000 airplanes over the last ten years (12m30s), the anual fatality numbers have stay the same and so have overall annual accidents.

The first few years didn't see much improvement, probably because the training didn't emphasize it as much, but since ~2013 the advice is generally "if you're experiencing issues just pull the 'chute". There is a cost to fixing the aircraft afterwards, but it will be you paying it and not your widow or estate.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of circumstances would they use this parachute? Engine failure? In a spin?

Engine failure, running out of fuel, stalls, spins, midair collisions, disorientation, etc. Cirrus has a history of CAPS deployments, linked in the article and copied here: https://www.cirruspilots.org/Safety/CAPS-Event-History

I am not a pilot, not even a little bit;

But I was under the impression that pilot training has a lot of attention on recovery from a stall or spin, and unless at low altitude, those are generally recoverable (in a small aircraft). Would love for someone with actual knowledge to weigh in, thanks!

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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AVweb did an interesting video a couple of years ago, "Are Planes With Parachutes Really Safer?": > The Cirrus line of aircraft have been flying for 20 years and although most people in aviation know they have full aircraft parachutes, it's fair to ask how effective these have been. With more than 90 uses of the so-called CAPS, has the system really saved lives? In this video, AVweb's Paul Bertorelli analyzes the rec…

The often not considered factory is the type of pilots that are attracted to (or advertised at) Cirrus's are generally considered to be high risk / low hours / non-current, so the accident stats are even more remarkable.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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awesome to see the first real world example of a caps parachute deployment on the vision jet working out well. the caps parachute results in “a good day for the passengers — walk away, bad day for the insurance company — plane will never fly again” the vision jet also has a “safe return” feature that will 100% autonomously land at the nearest suitable airport. both brs and safe return are designed to be initiated by…

Agree it's awesome. Although the cruising speed is around 300 knots where a small bizjet would be over 400. That is more comparable to a fast propeller plane.

Re: Cirrus Vision Jet Pilot Pulls Chute in Florida

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awesome to see the first real world example of a caps parachute deployment on the vision jet working out well. the caps parachute results in “a good day for the passengers — walk away, bad day for the insurance company — plane will never fly again” the vision jet also has a “safe return” feature that will 100% autonomously land at the nearest suitable airport. both brs and safe return are designed to be initiated by…

> i’ve had the pleasure of flying on a vision jet before — it’s a really cool aircraft that flies almost as fast and high as much more expensive jets

It’s a really cool aircraft but It’s nowhere close to the speed or service ceiling of most private jets.

Here’s Citationmax departing LAX in a vision jet. It’s a beautiful video to watch but it seems like he is struggling to reach the Standard Instrument Departure (SID) altitudes for each waypoint, only able to do about 100 KIAS in the climb.

https://youtu.be/DVXob_B3Cck

Contrast that to his later videos in the Citation CJ3 which looks like a SpaceX rocket in comparison.

Even Premier 1 Driver’s smallish jet drastically outperforms the SF50.

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