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Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by sschueller »

trasz wrote: post #26
sschueller wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the west is not doing anything other than supplying an endless supply of weapons. This is not anti-war. It's pro war on the side of Ukraine. At this point it looks like it will go on indefinitely. Where will we be in 10 in years? Anti-war is to do everything to stop the war specifically diplomacy and talking to the enemy. Making deals, even if the enemy is an absolute psychopath.

How else do you expect to convince Russia to leave Ukraine's territory and pay reparations? Or are you suggesting that we should just allow Russia to invade other countries with impunity and give it parts of Ukraine as a ransom? We've already done that the previous time, we know how it ended: in Russia invading again.

Do you really think Russia will ever pay reperations?

Sadly the situation is not simple nor is is black and white. This isn't some small state that invaded another one that can be forced to do something it doesn't want to.

It would be like arming the Iraqis and sanctioning the US to get them to leave. The only way the US would leave is when they want to, no matter what anyone else says and it's very similar with Russia. A large majority of Russians justify this invasion just as the US population supported the troops at all cost. The Russians are feed lies in their media and the US had embedded journalists white washing the horrors of war. There was even a period in the US where the media was forbidden from showing returning cofins of dead US soilders. [1]

Thinking this can be resolved by more sanctions and endless weapons is a fools aron and won't ever end this until either Putin retires or dies from old age. That can be another 20 years and even then it is a big if because his successor may continue with the conflict.

[1] https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100597...

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by trasz »

sschueller wrote: post #31
trasz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else do you expect to convince Russia to leave Ukraine's territory and pay reparations? Or are you suggesting that we should just allow Russia to invade other countries with impunity and give it parts of Ukraine as a ransom? We've already done that the previous time, we know how it ended: in Russia invading again.

Do you really think Russia will ever pay reperations? Sadly the situation is not simple nor is is black and white. This isn't some small state that invaded another one that can be forced to do something it doesn't want to. It would be like arming the Iraqis and sanctioning the US to get them to leave. The only way the US would leave is when they want to, no matter what anyone else says and it's very similar with Russ…

The difference is, Russia is not USA. It’s not even USSR; Russia’s economy is (or was) comparable with that of Italy. Russia already lost about half of its tank forces. They can’t start mobilization, because they are running out of officer cadre. They are losing this war.

What worries me more is what happens next. Crumbling Russia will become an useful asset to China; they will probably try to balance that with India - otherwise USA will make sure they cease to be useful as an asset.

And yes, I can easily see Russia paying out reparations in, say, electricity, over the next couple of decides. They are good at building nuclear power plants, and have a lot of land to place them.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by aydnina »

trasz wrote: post #28
88840-8855 wrote: post #22

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HOLD ON! We are in war with Russia because we argue that we want to have a rule based international order. RULES MUST BE APPLIED EQUALLY! Hence, to Russia and to the US. That's all that non idealistic people are asking and demanding!

No. In politics, might makes right. Like it or not, US is a superpower, and Russia isn't. No reason to use "equal rules" here.

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Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by decebalus1 »

sschueller wrote: post #31
trasz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else do you expect to convince Russia to leave Ukraine's territory and pay reparations? Or are you suggesting that we should just allow Russia to invade other countries with impunity and give it parts of Ukraine as a ransom? We've already done that the previous time, we know how it ended: in Russia invading again.

Do you really think Russia will ever pay reperations? Sadly the situation is not simple nor is is black and white. This isn't some small state that invaded another one that can be forced to do something it doesn't want to. It would be like arming the Iraqis and sanctioning the US to get them to leave. The only way the US would leave is when they want to, no matter what anyone else says and it's very similar with Russ…

> Do you really think Russia will ever pay reperations?

Yes. One way or another, Russia will pay. If only through discounted gas or indirectly after becoming China's puppet.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by midislack »

batmanturkey wrote: post #13
midislack wrote: post #4

They're in BRICS, not NATO or the EU.

Brics is neither a political entity nor military alliance, but a trade agreement group

All trade is inherently political. And India's enjoying cheap Russian wheat now.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by rasz »

sschueller wrote: post #17
Arnt wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you describe what the west should do instead, a little more specifically? There isn't a war, according to one of the combatants, so "ending the war" is a too vague. What does "end the war" mean when one of the combatants claims that there is no war? I think it's better to discuss how to end one the nasty results, and I chose the deportations of children. Not for any particular reason, just because it's of the c…

Cease-fire and dialog to resolve conflicts. Willingness to make reasonable consetions and pow exchanges.

Ok, so US forces Ukraine to cease fire - thy just stand around and get killed by Russian daily Kalibr airstrikes. What did that solve exactly?

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Post by _kbh_ »

88840-8855 wrote: post #19
Arnt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhm, wouldn't the Ukrainians need a hundred thousand POWs first in order to exchange them for the deported children?

Deported children? You mean the same children that Saddam has killed back then and that the US used as a reason to bomb millions into oblivion... and that was a fake in the end? :) No thanks, American lies and propaganda must be banned + people spreading it must be punished.

He is likely talking about the genocide that Russian regularly commits against Ukraine. Russia has forcibly deported hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to Russia and that includes a large number of children.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by licebmi__at__ »

chickenimprint wrote: post #24
dartharva wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the kind of history it has had, India knows it's futile and extremely moronic to keep faith in the West for any kind of help when, if ever, "shit hits the fan" for it. That's actually among the main reasons it has chosen to not squander its relationship with its one trusted ally.

The amount of aid Ukraine is receiving from the west, simply for being a victim is flabbergasting. If India rejects liberal international relations for realist ones, if India supports perpetrators, India can't expect help from the west when China comes knocking. How can a western government sell to their voters, assistance for a country that supported the unmerited killing of Ukrainian civilians? Liberal internationa…

The amount of help other victimized countries get from the west is an indication that Ukraine it’s only getting help because it’s useful to help them, and even so, going by Zelensky, not really enough.

So while going with Putin might not be the right action, just betting on the west’s goodwill its certainly foolish.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by cubancigar11 »

greatgib wrote: post #9

Clear example of when you will sell your soul and your country for money. This in itself explains why the world is currently in a downward trend with everything going worse and worse. I just hope that when the shit will hit the fan for India, then US, EU and related countries will remember to let India deal with it alone and not provide them assistance!

China came a knocking several times, most recently 2022[1]. You know what "The West" has done? Its media doesn't even report on it while it trades with dictatorships like China and Saudia Arabia and Pakistan's military while constantly shitting on the biggest democratic nation in the world and its elected leaders. "The West" can go fsck itself, seriously.

It will many many decades, may be Centuries, before Ukrainian understand that tolerating Nazism is not a good plan and undermining the culture that gave Buddhu and Gandhi is immoral. It may take more time to realize that this war is completely manufactured outside of Europe.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932022_China%E2%80%...

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by mlindner »

88840-8855 wrote: post #2

I speak to Indian expat colleagues here in Germany and they are all against the anti-Russian politics, against the sanctions, pro-Modi in a very differentiated way. I speak to Chinese and Taiwanese colleagues, also to South Korean colleagues. All are against the Western-led anti-Russia war. We are in a bubble here. A huge bubble and we believe that we are the only right people with the only right opinion.

Why would you say that we're the ones in the bubble? Isn't it those other countries that are the bubbles?
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