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Silicon Valley: no country for young men

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Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#31

Post by desperadovisa »

jleyank wrote: post #21
desperadovisa wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not pointless for those of us who have an FT subscription…

Yeah, but you don’t need HN to tell you to look (I assume you check what you pay for). There’s a whole lot of these paywalled things and they’re all just noise unless there’s a free alternative.

My stories on the FT app:

* Ukraine says Kherson counter-offensive against Russia has begun

* Inside Liz Truss's not so special relationship with the US

* Ukraine war updates: White House says Russia has "pulled resources" in response to Ukraine offensive

* EU to unveil emergency measures to curb soaring energy prices

* Nasa cancels launch of moon mission after engine trouble

* US justice department says it has reviewed Trump's Mar-a-Lago documents

--ad break--

* Crypto and climate change: can web3 help get us to net zero?

* Is $110mn man Jake Freeman lucky gambler or conviction investor?

Then it goes into their "Explore" functionality, billed as, "Take a break from the news with our recommended stories for you":

* ECB chief economist sees benefits of raising rates in "smaller increments"

* Honda and LG to build $4.4bn US battery plant

* Olaf Scholz outlines new EU vision with call for European air defense scheme

* Investors increase bets against euro as energy crisis intensifies

...and so on.

So no, this being here is not "useless".

Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#32

Post by kodah »

With respect to founders, there were a lot of well-known founders (read: founders that found success) that were quite young - as the article points out. In my experience, most founders are in their 40's. I've always written this off because it takes a lot of connections and knowledge to build a successful company. Even navigating the disruptor field takes some life experience, patience, and awareness. I think young founders tend to succeed in the disruption space and the list of things to be disrupted easily shrinks with every giving year. At the end of the day, I don't think it's too worrisome.

With respect to engineers the opposite is true. I've heard at, many but not all, companies I've worked for obvious biases for age. There's a borderline obsession with youthfulness, at times, in engineering that is disturbing. Usually the form these conversations take is, "this candidate has too much experience for Senior". Let's be real, Senior is the first tenured level at many companies. Nobody has too much experience for Senior, especially thrown on top of the fact that levels mean nothing across companies. It's a better signal for what pay and benefits a prospective employee may desire or be comfortable with.

Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#33

Post by jleyank »

desperadovisa wrote: post #31
jleyank wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but you don’t need HN to tell you to look (I assume you check what you pay for). There’s a whole lot of these paywalled things and they’re all just noise unless there’s a free alternative.

My stories on the FT app: * Ukraine says Kherson counter-offensive against Russia has begun * Inside Liz Truss's not so special relationship with the US * Ukraine war updates: White House says Russia has "pulled resources" in response to Ukraine offensive * EU to unveil emergency measures to curb soaring energy prices * Nasa cancels launch of moon mission after engine trouble * US justice department says it has revie…

Ah, so posting to HN is an ad, then?

Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#34

Post by desperadovisa »

jleyank wrote: post #33
desperadovisa wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My stories on the FT app: * Ukraine says Kherson counter-offensive against Russia has begun * Inside Liz Truss's not so special relationship with the US * Ukraine war updates: White House says Russia has "pulled resources" in response to Ukraine offensive * EU to unveil emergency measures to curb soaring energy prices * Nasa cancels launch of moon mission after engine trouble * US justice department says it has revie…

Ah, so posting to HN is an ad, then?

What? No, the article is interesting.

Seriously how do people see comments like yours and think HN is any kind of special?

Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#35

Post by pdonis »

kodah wrote: post #32

With respect to founders, there were a lot of well-known founders (read: founders that found success) that were quite young - as the article points out. In my experience, most founders are in their 40's. I've always written this off because it takes a lot of connections and knowledge to build a successful company. Even navigating the disruptor field takes some life experience, patience, and awareness. I think young f…

> There's a borderline obsession with youthfulness, at times, in engineering that is disturbing. Usually the form these conversations take is, "this candidate has too much experience for Senior".

I don't think this type of remark shows age bias. I think it relates to what you remark on later on in your post: pay and benefits. Basically, "this candidate has too much experience for Senior" is a euphemism for "this candidate's past experience indicates that they will want more pay and benefits than we are willing to give them".

Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#36

Post by jleyank »

desperadovisa wrote: post #34
jleyank wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so posting to HN is an ad, then?

What? No, the article is interesting. Seriously how do people see comments like yours and think HN is any kind of special?

Posting something that most of the audience can’t see without hacking isn’t all that interesting to me and it feels like an ad. If you as a poster have something to say, it should be readable without bending the rules. And honestly, stuff from “the usual business mags” isn’t interesting or pertinent. Those folks are orthogonal to where I’ve lived. I’m fungible to them, they’re suits to me.

This is Hacker News, not Yahoo Finance or some such alternative.

Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#37

Post by kodah »

pdonis wrote: post #35
kodah wrote: post #32

With respect to founders, there were a lot of well-known founders (read: founders that found success) that were quite young - as the article points out. In my experience, most founders are in their 40's. I've always written this off because it takes a lot of connections and knowledge to build a successful company. Even navigating the disruptor field takes some life experience, patience, and awareness. I think young f…

> There's a borderline obsession with youthfulness, at times, in engineering that is disturbing. Usually the form these conversations take is, "this candidate has too much experience for Senior". I don't think this type of remark shows age bias. I think it relates to what you remark on later on in your post: pay and benefits. Basically, "this candidate has too much experience for Senior" is a euphemism for "this cand…

The people who I've heard say that definitely had space to say exactly that if they had wanted, so I don't think that's true.

Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#38

Post by desperadovisa »

jleyank wrote: post #36
desperadovisa wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? No, the article is interesting. Seriously how do people see comments like yours and think HN is any kind of special?

Posting something that most of the audience can’t see without hacking isn’t all that interesting to me and it feels like an ad. If you as a poster have something to say, it should be readable without bending the rules. And honestly, stuff from “the usual business mags” isn’t interesting or pertinent. Those folks are orthogonal to where I’ve lived. I’m fungible to them, they’re suits to me. This is Hacker News, not Ya…

Now if only there were some way for you to express that opinion in some objective, algorithmic way…

Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#39

Post by yrgulation »

desperadovisa wrote: post #23
yrgulation wrote: post #5

Appears to firmly contradict this: https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/youll-never-guess-avera... Makes me wonder if news agency workers just pull stuff out of their behinds.

Should probably tell people that's from 2018, and the FT article is from today. [0] Unless, of course, you wouldn't want people to know that! (: [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20180208022213/https://www.inc.c...

Yeah because so much changed since 2018 (:

Re: Silicon Valley: no country for young men

#40

Post by chenxi9649 »

yrgulation wrote: post #39
desperadovisa wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should probably tell people that's from 2018, and the FT article is from today. [0] Unless, of course, you wouldn't want people to know that! (: [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20180208022213/https://www.inc.c...

Yeah because so much changed since 2018 (:

just the biggest event in our human life time :)
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