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PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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Wow, caring about social gaps. Unthinkable today.

Unthinkable because government control at that level of granularity is such a stupid and downright offensive idea to begin with, or because it just plain doesn't work?

False dichotomy alert

Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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Wow, caring about social gaps. Unthinkable today.

Unthinkable because government control at that level of granularity is such a stupid and downright offensive idea to begin with, or because it just plain doesn't work?

Yes, unthinkable because people generally find that the idea of fixing social problems is offensive, and just blame the victims for not fixing the problems they are suffering from.

Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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I remember going to the US in 1998 and being shocked at how bad NTSC TV looked compared to PAL, the colours just looked wrong.

NTSC and PAL had very very different color gamuts.

Yes - in the US HDTV was a revelation for many people because of the much larger colour gamut, it was just so much better, in Europe is was mostly just bigger

Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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> Black&White-tv was almost HD, 625x625. Then they added 3Mhz color-carrier in 1966 and it was 300x300 Maybe adding color did decrease the luma bandwidth and hence the horizontal resolution. I'm not sure about that. I think bw signals just used less bandwidth overall. But in no way did color decrease the number of lines in the image. Those are defined by the scanning raster and remained the same in color and bw telev…

It's more obvious in US NTSC that the PAL being discussed here .... essentially the colour subcarrier was put way out in the high freq part of the luma signal - display - anything with too high a bandwidth and it stomps on the colour - you've all seen this happen on analog TV ... and it has had profound effects on fashion .... let me explain ... So what does "high frequency luma" mean? it means that the brightness of…

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Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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Unthinkable because government control at that level of granularity is such a stupid and downright offensive idea to begin with, or because it just plain doesn't work?

False dichotomy alert

'Attempt to rationalize totalitarianism' alert.

Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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This is from 2008 - what are the newer developments in this space?

Digitization, colourization, audio resampling, and other computer-based treatments of original recordings have taken over as restoration techniques from what are now archaic analogue-based techniques.

The original recordings don't exist.

Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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What was the benefit / reasoning for removing colour content?

Can't speak for Australia, but Israel in 1970's considered colour television as "a luxury that would increase social gaps"[0], and a similar colour burst erasing happened. This has lead to a rise of anti-erasing devices that reconstructed the colour burst, returning the colours. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_killer

Israel had a huge balance of trade problem, and color television was an expensive import. So they sold the trade restriction through moral arguments!

Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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False dichotomy alert

'Attempt to rationalize totalitarianism' alert.

"Totalitarianism is when we fix social problems". Thanks for providing an example of people finding it offensive to fix social problems.

Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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'Attempt to rationalize totalitarianism' alert.

"Totalitarianism is when we fix social problems". Thanks for providing an example of people finding it offensive to fix social problems.

If you think it's the government's place to prohibit color TV on the grounds that it promotes social inequality, you've largely disqualified any opinions you might have about totalitarianism, social science, or color TV.

Re: PAL Colour Recovery from black-and-white ‘telerecordings’ (2008)

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This is from 2008 - what are the newer developments in this space?

Since it should be easy-ish to synthesize training data, I'd think combining this with deep learning could produce some good results.

https://www.youtube.com/c/K%C3%A1rolyZsolnai/search?query=co...
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