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At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt

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>All but two states have so-called “pay-to-stay” laws that make prisoners pay for their time behind bars What? Had no idea about this whatsoever and I consider myself a well-read person. Damn.

Nothing weird going on here... It's the free market doing it's thing. Apparently staying in prison is in high demand, driving up prices.

/s

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#32

What drives me absolutely insane about stories like this is that so many of the people suffering under these policies are guilty of little more than market participation. The government strains, at extraordinary expense, to pretend they can stop drugs from being made, bought and sold, but they can't. They simply can't. Countless laws, countless billions of dollars and countless ruined lives later, drugs are no less p…

Most of the time, supporters of these laws aren't brainwashed or stupid. They just prefer the status quo that these laws uphold, which tends to overlay nearly perfectly with class lines.

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In the UK it costs the taxpayer about $60K per year per prisoner to keep them locked up, according to official figures. However if you take the overall annual budget for the prison service and divide by the number of prisoners I think the figure is closer to $100K. I’ve often wondered what the cost might be to house that population somewhere else, somewhere less expensive, like Turkey or Greece.

Isn’t that what the UK did with Australia?

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#34

What drives me absolutely insane about stories like this is that so many of the people suffering under these policies are guilty of little more than market participation. The government strains, at extraordinary expense, to pretend they can stop drugs from being made, bought and sold, but they can't. They simply can't. Countless laws, countless billions of dollars and countless ruined lives later, drugs are no less p…

Government[s]- plural, and international (though some are more progressive than others).

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Every day I find new reason to believe the American penal system unconscionable. Not only is slavery permitted, the US is the subject of the ire of the United Nations over it (the ILO, specifically). For-profit prisons with state minimum occupancy clauses. Charging prisoners for their time there. And one of the highest incarceration levels and worst recidivism rates in the world. What exactly is the point of any of t…

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Hmm... The USA has a six times higher incarceration rate than Canada or the UK. Are violent crime rates really six times higher there?

Re: At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt

#36
This looks like a scheme to keep ex-inmates underwater. To rejoin the society they need legal income. Prisons watch out for such "deserters" and take half of their income, so they won't have enough for rent or food, and would have to go back to crime, and eventually to a prison.

Where is the profit for prisons? It's twofold: forced labor where inmates make license plates and some basic goods, and admin fees for managing prisons where taxpayers foot the bill.

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#37

In the UK it costs the taxpayer about $60K per year per prisoner to keep them locked up, according to official figures. However if you take the overall annual budget for the prison service and divide by the number of prisoners I think the figure is closer to $100K. I’ve often wondered what the cost might be to house that population somewhere else, somewhere less expensive, like Turkey or Greece.

Maybe UK could find a whole island for that specific purpose.

Re: At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt

#38

>All but two states have so-called “pay-to-stay” laws that make prisoners pay for their time behind bars What? Had no idea about this whatsoever and I consider myself a well-read person. Damn.

Nothing weird going on here... It's the free market doing it's thing. Apparently staying in prison is in high demand, driving up prices. /s

How are actions by a government... "the free market"?

Re: At $249 per day, prison stays leave ex-inmates deep in debt

#40

What drives me absolutely insane about stories like this is that so many of the people suffering under these policies are guilty of little more than market participation. The government strains, at extraordinary expense, to pretend they can stop drugs from being made, bought and sold, but they can't. They simply can't. Countless laws, countless billions of dollars and countless ruined lives later, drugs are no less p…

There are over 2 MILLION prisoners in the US prison population of a population of 330M.

This gives the USA the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world.

The next four?

* Rwanda

* Turkmenistan

* El Salvador

* Cuba

[1]: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarcera...

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