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Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by tanseydavid »

joshstrange wrote: post #26
57FkMytWjyFu wrote: post #2

According to Apple it might be. But we aren't asking any end users in the article, because screw them, right? Anything that enables the environmental irresponsibility of AirPods is only "right" from the perspective of the shareholder. Certainly not the species.

> Anything that enables the environmental irresponsibility of AirPods is only "right" from the perspective of the shareholder. Spare me. Companies are busy dumping waste all over this planet and you want me to care about something the size of 2 grapes?

Considering only the size of the discarded item(s) hardly covers the entire waste scenario.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

joshstrange wrote: post #22
aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't have one until Apple created it. Now they should have lower fidelity audio, and/or more shit to carry around and fiddle with, and/or fail unexpectedly when least needed? You actually can't understand the consumer side of this? Or just like Apple?

> Now they should have lower fidelity audio Like most things audiophiles say: I call bullshit. http://soundexpert.org/articles/-/blogs/audio-quality-of-lig... > Audio quality of Apple Lightning to 3.5mm adapter (A1749) is almost as good as in-built mobile audio solutions by Apple, though it has slightly worse df-measurements. Mostly due to the higher jitter. But if you listen music you will not hear the difference; i…

Now argue the total security of a phone with Bluetooth enabled.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by 57FkMytWjyFu »

joshstrange wrote: post #22
aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't have one until Apple created it. Now they should have lower fidelity audio, and/or more shit to carry around and fiddle with, and/or fail unexpectedly when least needed? You actually can't understand the consumer side of this? Or just like Apple?

> Now they should have lower fidelity audio Like most things audiophiles say: I call bullshit. http://soundexpert.org/articles/-/blogs/audio-quality-of-lig... > Audio quality of Apple Lightning to 3.5mm adapter (A1749) is almost as good as in-built mobile audio solutions by Apple, though it has slightly worse df-measurements. Mostly due to the higher jitter. But if you listen music you will not hear the difference; i…

You know these dongles increase your audio latency, right? Fidelity is faithful to both time and space. Latency is temporal distortion.

(it's probably better than BT, but nothing beats a hard line)

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by tanseydavid »

joshstrange wrote: post #22
aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't have one until Apple created it. Now they should have lower fidelity audio, and/or more shit to carry around and fiddle with, and/or fail unexpectedly when least needed? You actually can't understand the consumer side of this? Or just like Apple?

> Now they should have lower fidelity audio Like most things audiophiles say: I call bullshit. http://soundexpert.org/articles/-/blogs/audio-quality-of-lig... > Audio quality of Apple Lightning to 3.5mm adapter (A1749) is almost as good as in-built mobile audio solutions by Apple, though it has slightly worse df-measurements. Mostly due to the higher jitter. But if you listen music you will not hear the difference; i…

This is a subjective matter. Calling it bullshit is not an accurate way of looking at it (or listening to it).

There are use cases for audio where "good enough" is simply not sufficient. You may never have need for these use cases.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

joshstrange wrote: post #22
aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't have one until Apple created it. Now they should have lower fidelity audio, and/or more shit to carry around and fiddle with, and/or fail unexpectedly when least needed? You actually can't understand the consumer side of this? Or just like Apple?

> Now they should have lower fidelity audio Like most things audiophiles say: I call bullshit. http://soundexpert.org/articles/-/blogs/audio-quality-of-lig... > Audio quality of Apple Lightning to 3.5mm adapter (A1749) is almost as good as in-built mobile audio solutions by Apple, though it has slightly worse df-measurements. Mostly due to the higher jitter. But if you listen music you will not hear the difference; i…

This says the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter doesn't cause meaningful quality loss.

Nothing about Bluetooth, which seems to be buggy, insecure, widely-poorly-implemented..mWiFi's bastard-child.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by joshstrange »

aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #32
joshstrange wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now they should have lower fidelity audio Like most things audiophiles say: I call bullshit. http://soundexpert.org/articles/-/blogs/audio-quality-of-lig... > Audio quality of Apple Lightning to 3.5mm adapter (A1749) is almost as good as in-built mobile audio solutions by Apple, though it has slightly worse df-measurements. Mostly due to the higher jitter. But if you listen music you will not hear the difference; i…

Now argue the total security of a phone with Bluetooth enabled.

Now argue to the risk of stepping outside your house.

Come on, the truth is almost none of us need to worry about this. To each their own and you get to pick what your balance of security and convenience but disabling bluetooth is a little too tin-foil-y for my tastes.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by joshstrange »

57FkMytWjyFu wrote: post #33
joshstrange wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now they should have lower fidelity audio Like most things audiophiles say: I call bullshit. http://soundexpert.org/articles/-/blogs/audio-quality-of-lig... > Audio quality of Apple Lightning to 3.5mm adapter (A1749) is almost as good as in-built mobile audio solutions by Apple, though it has slightly worse df-measurements. Mostly due to the higher jitter. But if you listen music you will not hear the difference; i…

You know these dongles increase your audio latency, right? Fidelity is faithful to both time and space. Latency is temporal distortion. (it's probably better than BT, but nothing beats a hard line)

You know the vast majority of users don't care? No one is saying you should use AirPods as your monitors while you record but for listening to music/calls/podcasts/etc they work just fine.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by joshstrange »

tanseydavid wrote: post #34
joshstrange wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now they should have lower fidelity audio Like most things audiophiles say: I call bullshit. http://soundexpert.org/articles/-/blogs/audio-quality-of-lig... > Audio quality of Apple Lightning to 3.5mm adapter (A1749) is almost as good as in-built mobile audio solutions by Apple, though it has slightly worse df-measurements. Mostly due to the higher jitter. But if you listen music you will not hear the difference; i…

This is a subjective matter. Calling it bullshit is not an accurate way of looking at it (or listening to it). There are use cases for audio where "good enough" is simply not sufficient. You may never have need for these use cases.

> You may never have need for these use cases.

And I'd argue the number of people who actually do have a "need" are stretching the definition of "need" to it's breaking point. Yes, if you need near-zero latency then AirPods might not be for you but that's a tiny segment of the population.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by doubled112 »

aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #30
doubled112 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they fail frequently? I'd bet that many (most?) people would plug their headphones into the adapter and leave it until the headphones or adapter failed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for Apple or the adapter, but I'm not convinced by the adapter hate either. I do wish I could find Bluetooth devices that didn't suck, though.

Do cheap, tiny copper cables fail frequently? How long have you been sampling the electronics market?, heh

Haha, I might be unreasonably amused by your rephrasing of the question.

The adapters (cheap, tiny copper cables) seem as sturdy or sturdier than many of the cables attached to headphones and ear buds (also cheap, tiny copper cables).

So maybe the question should have been "do they fail more frequently than the cables would themselves?"

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by joshstrange »

aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #35
joshstrange wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now they should have lower fidelity audio Like most things audiophiles say: I call bullshit. http://soundexpert.org/articles/-/blogs/audio-quality-of-lig... > Audio quality of Apple Lightning to 3.5mm adapter (A1749) is almost as good as in-built mobile audio solutions by Apple, though it has slightly worse df-measurements. Mostly due to the higher jitter. But if you listen music you will not hear the difference; i…

This says the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter doesn't cause meaningful quality loss. Nothing about Bluetooth, which seems to be buggy, insecure, widely-poorly-implemented..mWiFi's bastard-child.

Well I was replying specifically to someone talking about the dongle being lower quality so yeah...

As for Bluetooth, especially when talking about the AirPods, it works just fine for vast majority of use cases normal people have.

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