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Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by richbell »

bageljr wrote: post #29
richbell wrote: post #23

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> 1. They use they/them pronouns Near used both he/him and they/them, per the person who alleged they committed suicide: https://mobile.twitter.com/marcan42/status/14104199133327237... > 2. The original claim, being that Near commited suicide due to Kiwi Farm, was documented in the link two comments up. > > As another commenter said, the government records state that no US citizen died at all in Japan in June 2021. T…

1. Oh I see, didn't know that. 2. Sure its an expected number, but its ridiculous that there would be literally 0 deaths given 50,000 people (this was 2012, so I expect it would have grown).

I think the crux of the issue is that they purport to record deaths from non-natural causes "to the maximum extent practicable"; one could argue that both of those clauses leave room for interpretation. Ultimately there's no strong evidence either way, which I'd argue puts the burden of proof in the camp making the claim.

> the Foreign Relations Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2003, mandates that, to the maximum extent practicable, the Department of State collect and make available on the Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs Internet web site certain information with respect to each United States citizen who dies in a foreign country *from a non-natural cause.*

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by richbell »

IllIllIllIIlIll wrote: post #30
phendrenad2 wrote: post #25

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As usual, it's a minority of users causing all of the problems. Most people on KF probably aren't doxxing or sending threats, but any time you get a group of people together to talk about someone, chances are some will take it too far. The ultimate example of this was Princess Diana (remember that?). The public was obsessed with her, and that demand fed a constant swarm of paparazzi which eventually led to her crash…

> KF probably started as a harmless place to joke about public figures There's no need to assume, we know exactly where KF started. It originally focused on one specific target before branching out, a severely autistic person known as Chris Chan who isn't notable for any reason other than being a target of incredibly intense stalking, harassment and manipulation. The site didn't need to "fall from grace" when its bas…

> who isn't notable for any reason other than being a target of incredibly intense stalking,

This is demonstrably false. Chris Chan became the obsession of the internet because of his incredibly odd and anti-social behavior, such as plastering signs around campus looking for a "boyfriend free girl" and telling other men with boyfriends to go jump off a cliff (https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Attraction_Sign#The_Sign.2C_Mark_1). Calling him "not notable" is just not true.

Down the Rabbithole has a good video about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IPtLvxO8hs

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by IllIllIllIIlIll »

richbell wrote: post #33
IllIllIllIIlIll wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> KF probably started as a harmless place to joke about public figures There's no need to assume, we know exactly where KF started. It originally focused on one specific target before branching out, a severely autistic person known as Chris Chan who isn't notable for any reason other than being a target of incredibly intense stalking, harassment and manipulation. The site didn't need to "fall from grace" when its bas…

> who isn't notable for any reason other than being a target of incredibly intense stalking, This is demonstrably false. Chris Chan became the obsession of the internet because of his incredibly odd and anti-social behavior, such as plastering signs around campus looking for a "boyfriend free girl" and telling other men with boyfriends to go jump off a cliff ( https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Attraction_Sign#The_Sign.2C_Mar…

A neurodivergent person acting eccentrically or inappropriately does not in itself make them notable or a public figure. There are many people in the world like Chris Chan, the only reason Chris Chan is famous is because they're the one who got singled out by the internet.

Even if you do class Chris Chan as "notable", is that supposed to make it OK to strip-mine a mentally ill person for content?

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by richbell »

IllIllIllIIlIll wrote: post #34
richbell wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who isn't notable for any reason other than being a target of incredibly intense stalking, This is demonstrably false. Chris Chan became the obsession of the internet because of his incredibly odd and anti-social behavior, such as plastering signs around campus looking for a "boyfriend free girl" and telling other men with boyfriends to go jump off a cliff ( https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Attraction_Sign#The_Sign.2C_Mar…

A neurodivergent person acting eccentrically or inappropriately does not in itself make them notable or a public figure. There are many people in the world like Chris Chan, the only reason Chris Chan is famous is because they're the one who got singled out by the internet. Even if you do class Chris Chan as "notable", is that supposed to make it OK to strip-mine a mentally ill person for content?

I wish people would have just left Chris alone, but I think it's obtuse to dismiss Chris's behaviour as simply that of a "neurodivergent person". Acknowledging his strange and provocative behaviour isn't condoning the harassment he received.

Speaking of harassment, it's also misleading to refer to him as a the first "target". Kiwi Farms (formerly the CWCiki Forums) started as a place to discuss Chris Chan, but it was far from the only or the worst one. For example, KF was strongly against the "idea guys", who actively tried to harass Chris in real life.

There's lots of nuance here, and I think we ought to acknowledge what is fact versus fiction. Otherwise we're just talking about a made-up boogeyman.

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by aiscapehumanity »

IllIllIllIIlIll wrote: post #34
richbell wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who isn't notable for any reason other than being a target of incredibly intense stalking, This is demonstrably false. Chris Chan became the obsession of the internet because of his incredibly odd and anti-social behavior, such as plastering signs around campus looking for a "boyfriend free girl" and telling other men with boyfriends to go jump off a cliff ( https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Attraction_Sign#The_Sign.2C_Mar…

A neurodivergent person acting eccentrically or inappropriately does not in itself make them notable or a public figure. There are many people in the world like Chris Chan, the only reason Chris Chan is famous is because they're the one who got singled out by the internet. Even if you do class Chris Chan as "notable", is that supposed to make it OK to strip-mine a mentally ill person for content?

The fact that KF goes after non-criminals, and functions as an infomob with no boundaries for privacy or parasocial etiquette imo is damning of their intentions.

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by effingwewt »

richbell wrote: post #35
IllIllIllIIlIll wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A neurodivergent person acting eccentrically or inappropriately does not in itself make them notable or a public figure. There are many people in the world like Chris Chan, the only reason Chris Chan is famous is because they're the one who got singled out by the internet. Even if you do class Chris Chan as "notable", is that supposed to make it OK to strip-mine a mentally ill person for content?

I wish people would have just left Chris alone, but I think it's obtuse to dismiss Chris's behaviour as simply that of a "neurodivergent person". Acknowledging his strange and provocative behaviour isn't condoning the harassment he received. Speaking of harassment, it's also misleading to refer to him as a the first "target". Kiwi Farms (formerly the CWCiki Forums) started as a place to discuss Chris Chan, but it was…

Chris wasn't who OP should have used as an example. He was also charged with incest (which made for very weird reading since Chris now uses she/her[1]).

When people do insane shit online for internet fame they don't really get to cry when it goes sideways.

The world is full of crazy people, especially online.

I think it's crazy having seen the advent of the internet, to watch it devolve into people begging for attention/money.

I wish so bad we could go back to usenet and geocities when people posted out of love and passion, but 'You can never go home'.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.in/thelife/news/online-creator-c...

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by Fatnino »

judge2020 wrote: post #21
mort96 wrote: post #13

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I think that tweet from Keffals was incredibly irresponsible and she was right in deleting it. I think trying to get Cloudflare to stop supporting Kiwifarms is good. You don't have to either deem a person purely good or purely bad, you can agree with some things they do and disagree with other things. It's not that hard.

To add, protests like these (and thus posts sharing the planned protest) seem like they unintentionally end up 'feeding the trolls' - what are the chances KF sees 2x to 10x the amount of new sign-ups on days where they're in the news versus when they're not?

This round of attention is what got me to finally visit KF to see what the actual deal is. Didn't sign up of course.

General impression is "yuck, won't go there again". I didn't see any dox but I did see reminders for readers to not pull KF into whatever mess they make in RL.

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by pseudalopex »

effingwewt wrote: post #37
richbell wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish people would have just left Chris alone, but I think it's obtuse to dismiss Chris's behaviour as simply that of a "neurodivergent person". Acknowledging his strange and provocative behaviour isn't condoning the harassment he received. Speaking of harassment, it's also misleading to refer to him as a the first "target". Kiwi Farms (formerly the CWCiki Forums) started as a place to discuss Chris Chan, but it was…

Chris wasn't who OP should have used as an example. He was also charged with incest (which made for very weird reading since Chris now uses she/her[1]). When people do insane shit online for internet fame they don't really get to cry when it goes sideways. The world is full of crazy people, especially online. I think it's crazy having seen the advent of the internet, to watch it devolve into people begging for attent…

An incest charge in 2021 means decades of harassment was justified?

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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Post by effingwewt »

pseudalopex wrote: post #39
effingwewt wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chris wasn't who OP should have used as an example. He was also charged with incest (which made for very weird reading since Chris now uses she/her[1]). When people do insane shit online for internet fame they don't really get to cry when it goes sideways. The world is full of crazy people, especially online. I think it's crazy having seen the advent of the internet, to watch it devolve into people begging for attent…

An incest charge in 2021 means decades of harassment was justified?

Don't be obtuse, that wasn't what I said at all.

Decades of posting all about your life online and doing insane things for internet fame, and even your own personal details means they can't cry when that attention isn't always positive.

Chris is himself a troll. He has physically attacked a gamestop employee, his mother tried to run over another one.

Again, if OP wanted to garner sympathy, Chris wasn't the example to be used.

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