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Charge more = fewer buyers = fewer accidents = less bad press. That Elon, what a smart guy!
We really need competition in this space (FSD) if we want prices to go down.
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But why? Is it because the early adopters were paying for a product that would never work? Feels like a good opportunity for a class action...
Because as it gets better, it provides more value. In its completed form it basically replaces a driver. Calculate how much it would cost to have drivers capable of driving 20 hours/day (rest spent charging). If they actually make it self-driving at a human level, it's value is clearly over $100K.
What does FSD even means?? There is no mention of that in the author’s thread. Please stop with acronyms!
Full self driving - the snake oil Tesla sells to improve their bottom line.
Before ~6 months ago it was literally vaporware with an nontransferable license.
It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…
These are improving at an astonishing rate, like a Web app rather than a car. Yes, this means the first ones were so bad they really shouldn’t have been shipped. But the newer models (of Y especially, X hasn’t been redesigned) are really a different world.
It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…
What are you talking about? I watch FSD progress, and it's clearly getting closer to human level driving. Just go on YouTube and compare FSD from two years ago to the latest. It's night and day. Yes, it still makes mistakes. Humans make mistakes all the time while driving. As for build quality, we haven't had any major problems with our Model 3. It's a great car. Tesla has a media problem, where every little problem…
Similar to Apple, people expect more from them than anyone else. Minor issues on Apple products are always scandals. Remember Antennagate? People were sure that it would sink Apple, because "they don't know how to make antennas". People and media handle Tesla similarly, and minor issues are blown out of proportion.
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Musk once argued that once full self-driving works, it would be more profitable for Tesla to use these cars for an own taxi service than it would be to sell them to customers. They plan to raise the price even more the closer they (claim to) get to their goal.
I don’t understand that endgame. I would never want strangers in my car unsupervised. They will be having sex, puking, changing diapers, and worse. Just imagine all of the fluids and smells that they would leave behind. How is this remotely a good idea?
The first part is the general assumption that the endgame of self-driving cars is robotaxis. I don't personally buy this--most people who own their own cars today clearly prefer to own their own cars over relying on taxi services or public transit--but this is dominant assumption you see in newspaper articles and business planning. And I suspect it's mostly driven by greed for recurring service revenue over one-time sales revenue.
And the second part is the aspersions to Uber (as a stand-in for all the similar services): renting your own car out as a robotaxi is a lot like being an Uber, except for being the driver part. Of course, Uber itself is basically a losing model that doesn't really compensate enough to cover the wear-and-tear on your car from the extra mileage acting as a taxi, so it's not entirely the best model to be emulating. But how could a $10 billion company possibly be wrong?
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There are many people who have bought FSD from Tesla, and have had their car reach end of life without ever getting to enjoy FSD. It's possible after being "less than a year away" for... a decade... that it may be less than a year away now. But it looks like a bit of skepticism has been earned.
I think the skepticism is reasonable, but that’s not really what my comment is about.
It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…
It would seem the market (and more current engineering and design reviews) disagrees with you!
It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…
What are you talking about? I watch FSD progress, and it's clearly getting closer to human level driving. Just go on YouTube and compare FSD from two years ago to the latest. It's night and day. Yes, it still makes mistakes. Humans make mistakes all the time while driving. As for build quality, we haven't had any major problems with our Model 3. It's a great car. Tesla has a media problem, where every little problem…
And now it looks like Cruise and Waymo have full self driving in San Francisco which looks amazing. There’s hour long videos of it navigating perfectly and smoothly in a jam packed city. Nothing like the Tesla videos which show it almost slamming into bikes/curbs or just freaking out and stopping in the middle of an intersection.
Has great acceleration though and charging at home is great or on the road with superchargers. But Teslas edge is not as wide anymore.
It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…
Scammy practices?