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Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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The part that scares me is that we, as web designers/developers/owners, are complicit in this. We are the ones who are putting social buttons on every page. We love this functionality, but they aren't giving it to us for free. We are trading them our user's information and browsing habits. I'm not worried about the ethics of Facebook. I don't think a site like Facebook should be prevented from doing this openly. I'm…

I'm not a web dev so I'm a bit puzzled by the social buttons everywhere. How often do people actually click them? To what extent can they drive traffic to your site? I've often wondered if they're a bit like QR codes in that a small portion of people are enamored with them but few people actually use them.

Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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This is why I visit Facebook in one browser, G* in another, and everything else in yet a third.

I would recommend making a Facebook VM if you really want to get on. This helps on two fronts: 1) You must REALLY want to get on facebook if you go through the extra step of booting up a VM 2) They can track all they want inside your VM since you use it ONLY for facebook.

/s/facebook/any other social service you intend to use.

Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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Cookies do not cross browsers. If he's using a second browser, Facebook cannot read the cookies set in the first browser. They could use some IP matching logic or something, but it would be prone to a lot of false positives.

I believe this isn't always the case. If you're using multiple browsers in OS X all built on Webkit for instance, they share the same cookie store. Firefox and multiple firefox profiles isolate cookie storage and I also use Fluid on OS X to build site-specific browsers. The paid version offers a feature to isolate cookie storage within each app.

Webkits share cookies = ouch.. so you really need a VM.

New browser feature - open this site in a temp VM.

Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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The part that scares me is that we, as web designers/developers/owners, are complicit in this. We are the ones who are putting social buttons on every page. We love this functionality, but they aren't giving it to us for free. We are trading them our user's information and browsing habits. I'm not worried about the ethics of Facebook. I don't think a site like Facebook should be prevented from doing this openly. I'm…

Proud to not be a part of this "we". These social buttons are a plague on the web. They take something which is beautifully decentralized, and then create a single point of failure, and allow companies to create massive databases of private information from it as well.

You can host an image locally, and create a link using it. You don't need to hand over the browser of all of your visitors to one or more AD companies by letting them execute arbitrary JavaScript on your pages.

Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this isn't always the case. If you're using multiple browsers in OS X all built on Webkit for instance, they share the same cookie store. Firefox and multiple firefox profiles isolate cookie storage and I also use Fluid on OS X to build site-specific browsers. The paid version offers a feature to isolate cookie storage within each app.

> If you're using multiple browsers in OS X all built on Webkit for instance, they share the same cookie store. Where are you getting this? Safari and Chrome (both built on webkit) definitely do not share cookie stores on OS X.

In my limited understanding it's the difference between the webkit engine that OS X provides to developers to use, as opposed to Chrome which probably does something different in that regard. Besides site-specific browsers, there are plenty of makeshift OS X tools that implement their own built in browser, and these applications do indeed share cookies with Safari.

The easiest way to test this is with Safari and any of the OS X site-specific browser or http debugging tools.

Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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I believe this isn't always the case. If you're using multiple browsers in OS X all built on Webkit for instance, they share the same cookie store. Firefox and multiple firefox profiles isolate cookie storage and I also use Fluid on OS X to build site-specific browsers. The paid version offers a feature to isolate cookie storage within each app.

Webkits share cookies = ouch.. so you really need a VM. New browser feature - open this site in a temp VM.

The convenience/security trade-off varies user to user, but for something as simple as FB, it might be considered overkill by most.

I would encourage browsers that support isolated profiles, multiple browsers that don't share cookie storage, or using a jailed site-specific browser approach.

Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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post #31

The part that scares me is that we, as web designers/developers/owners, are complicit in this. We are the ones who are putting social buttons on every page. We love this functionality, but they aren't giving it to us for free. We are trading them our user's information and browsing habits. I'm not worried about the ethics of Facebook. I don't think a site like Facebook should be prevented from doing this openly. I'm…

I'm not a web dev so I'm a bit puzzled by the social buttons everywhere. How often do people actually click them? To what extent can they drive traffic to your site? I've often wondered if they're a bit like QR codes in that a small portion of people are enamored with them but few people actually use them.

They serve a few purposes - I'll try and illustrate from various points of view.

* As a site operator, particularly if you're keen on 'organic' and free traffic, you need to keep on top of the latest in search engine and social marketing. Facebook and other social networks are becoming more important as traffic sources, as 'recommendations' from friends become more trusted. Bing and Facebook reached a deal to prioritize some results based on social recommendations ('likes'), and Google is rolling their own solution, so site owners have incentives to include the links.

* As a user, you generally want to see the most trusted results you can, and occasionally may want to recommend sites to your friends. Facebook's verbs 'like' and 'share' work well here - Google's '+1' is a little more opaque to most web users I'd suspect, but they're trying to convey the same intention.

* As Google/Facebook, you want as much data as possible about the behaviour of web traffic - search, engagement/interaction, conversion rates, even raw traffic figures. Even if people aren't interacting with these widgets, they are still often served up by AJAX from the source. This implies that Google/Facebook/etc see an incoming HTTP request, and sometimes associated cookies/referers. Add a little GeoIP and other user analysis, and you have very valuable data on aggregate.

All these generally seem like 'wins' for the parties involved - and that's usually the sign of good business taking place. For me, the main concern is that all this data belongs not to the general public, but to the widget providers, and large information disparities in any situation can be abused.

Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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post #31

The part that scares me is that we, as web designers/developers/owners, are complicit in this. We are the ones who are putting social buttons on every page. We love this functionality, but they aren't giving it to us for free. We are trading them our user's information and browsing habits. I'm not worried about the ethics of Facebook. I don't think a site like Facebook should be prevented from doing this openly. I'm…

I'm not a web dev so I'm a bit puzzled by the social buttons everywhere. How often do people actually click them? To what extent can they drive traffic to your site? I've often wondered if they're a bit like QR codes in that a small portion of people are enamored with them but few people actually use them.

Definitely. I rarely bother with Facebook any more, but when I want to share something, copy and paste is not hard. The "social buttons" don't solve a problem, IMO.

actually, what started the decline was the very subject of this article. I don't like Facebook watching where I go, and I started putting Facebook in another browser; naturally, I'm on Facebook less because it's harder to get to.

Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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Question- Would people be more willing to let a platform track browsing activity if there was 100% transparency? Asking this question for the startup that we are working on, where we want to get permission from users to follow their certain activities- which is directly applicable to the platform value.

Re: Facebook Privacy: Site Confirms It Tracks You After You Leave

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Big Brother Blue is always watching. It is becoming more and more obvious that we are nothing more than a pile of data to facebook, they don't look at us human beings who have a need for respect and privacy, but as potential data and revenue. I have always gotten the feeling that they think we are 'too dumb' to catch on, it's only a matter of time until the bubble bursts. They may still be a billion dollar company bu…

+1 I couldn't have said it better myself.
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