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.NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

bob1029 wrote: post #3

The .NET ecosystem is giving me a lot of confidence these days. I've been on this rollercoaster since .NET Core 2.x and don't think I will be getting off any time soon. We recently upgraded from 3.1 to 6, which was a total non-event. The code base that was around for Core 2.x is still the same one we have today. Some substantial changes made to the web interfaces and hosting, but nothing in the business logic or data…

I think the .NET Core model is probably fine for web apps, but I literally laugh at the idea anyone would deploy desktop software with it: The .NET team's idea of an "LTS" version is 3 years, which is an absolute joke.

If you continue to use .NET Framework 4.8, your software will receive security updates until the heat death of the universe, too much, including Windows itself, depends on it. (Same, hilariously, with Visual Basic 6.) Microsoft's lifecycle for new runtimes is so short you're better off using a dead one.

.NET Core has too many caveats and too few selling points to get any reasonably competent desktop developers to move over, IMHO, especially considering the fact that every executable you ship to customers has a Microsoft imposed support death date.

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by bbkane »

Microsoft seems like "a house divided" when it comes to opening .NET. They open source the core language, but have different proprietary dev tools (debugging for one) you need to pay for.

https://isdotnetopen.com/ goes over these in more detail, but I'd rather use an ecosystem where I don't have to worry things will be progressively locked down in the future.

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

eitland wrote: post #30
NDizzle wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost... linux images should be a fraction of the cost of a Windows image. Unless, of course, you're using Azure, where they subsidize the cost of SQL Server by charging more for linux boxes/containers.

.Net has run better on Linux (edit: better than on Windows) machines since at least before the pandemic. I'm a Java dev, but I have also developed on .Net and running modern .Net on Linux is about as simple as it get.

Does visual studio run on linux yet? That's my rubicon for taking .net seriously. It's not just about the runtime, the tooling has to be present as well.

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

#38

Post by NDizzle »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #33
eitland wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.Net has run better on Linux (edit: better than on Windows) machines since at least before the pandemic. I'm a Java dev, but I have also developed on .Net and running modern .Net on Linux is about as simple as it get.

Does visual studio run on linux yet? That's my rubicon for taking .net seriously. It's not just about the runtime, the tooling has to be present as well.

Code does... Visual Studio itself not so much.

Why is that a requirement to take it seriously? I've been deploying apps developed in OSX/Windows to linux boxes for 20 years...

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by giaour »

sf_rob wrote: post #18
bariskaya wrote: post #7

Seems like great news but I wonder if these releases help the .NET ecosystem in a meaningful anyway. Almost all .NET developers I know still use Windows even on cloud.

Might this gain them marginal .NET developers? Maybe they have reason to believe that this will accelerate growth.

I've shipped .NET applications in organizations where adding Windows hosts never would have been contemplated, but adding a new application framework that ran on our standardized Linux environments was no big deal. Ops folks are often much warier about adding heterogeneous compute environments than they are about adding new application architectures, so an easier onboarding process for Linux shops experimenting with .NET could plausibly drive adoption.

Re: .NET 6 is now in Ubuntu 22.04

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Post by louthy »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #31
bob1029 wrote: post #3

The .NET ecosystem is giving me a lot of confidence these days. I've been on this rollercoaster since .NET Core 2.x and don't think I will be getting off any time soon. We recently upgraded from 3.1 to 6, which was a total non-event. The code base that was around for Core 2.x is still the same one we have today. Some substantial changes made to the web interfaces and hosting, but nothing in the business logic or data…

I think the .NET Core model is probably fine for web apps, but I literally laugh at the idea anyone would deploy desktop software with it: The .NET team's idea of an "LTS" version is 3 years, which is an absolute joke. If you continue to use .NET Framework 4.8, your software will receive security updates until the heat death of the universe , too much, including Windows itself, depends on it. (Same, hilariously, with…

> too few selling points

There are significant performance improvements, and the new language features of C# depend on the later versions - that might not be such a big deal, but it will become more acute as the language improves.

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