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On being tired

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Re: On being tired

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Post by hu3 »

angarg12 wrote: post #5

I've spent the last couple of years at the two bottom levels of that scale. It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize one of the root causes: my wife and I have fundamentally different personalities that are at odds with each other. My wife is an extrovert. She is energized by going out, visiting places, doing things, meeting people. I'm an introvert. I get energized by staying in, reading a book, watching a…

I've came to this same realization after years next to an extrovert.

It's obvious once you understand the differences but until then it's pure misery regardless of how much you love the person.

You're often either unhappy or making them unhappy for no apparent reason.

Re: On being tired

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Post by comboy »

powersnail wrote: post #11

As I age, I've learned to distinguish "not being excited" (languor) and "being tired" (exhaustion), which to my younger self felt like the same thing. The former is not always caused by a lack of energy, but also excessive idleness, especially if I'm doing things that requires attention but also isn't intellectually stimulating. When the author refers to "normal tired" and "dead tired", I think that echoes with my tw…

These being tired and fighting exhaustion with exercise threads must be a dread to read for anybody who works hard physically.

But I'm in the same privileged or at least not working physically position and I found most correlation with number of tasks I'm focusing on.

If there are too many things at once or none of them stands out, I'm more likely to feel tired.

If I'm focusing on a specific thing associated with specific action with no other things on my mind, it seems to be getting done effortlessly with high energy state.

Re: On being tired

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Post by majormajor »

ranprieur wrote: post #14

I find it strange that he takes for granted that activities should "give back energy", and that you have to be dead tired for that not to happen. Personally, even when I have good energy, almost everything I do drains it and doesn't give it back, until I sleep to recharge. Maybe this is the difference between highly motivated people and the rest of us, that they find it normal for activities to give back energy.

Regarding mental energy - when I'm in an "everything is draining" state I consider that a depressive episode. When not in one of those, there are hobbies I find rewarding and stimulating (some even physical-energy-producing, like eating or drinking coffee). Or it can even be as simple/"idle" as "that was a fun run through Returnal, I feel pumped up."

Re: On being tired

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Post by Test0129 »

bberrry wrote: post #16
albingroen wrote: post #9

I also think a very large majority of people on this planet are tired because of an unknown deficit of vitamines and minerals like Omega 3, Zink and Vitamin D

Is there any research to back that claim up?

Vitamin D deficiency is well known enough it should stand up to the simple concern trolling done by people who demand a source like every post must be an academic journal.

Re: On being tired

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Post by moonshinefe »

powersnail wrote: post #11

As I age, I've learned to distinguish "not being excited" (languor) and "being tired" (exhaustion), which to my younger self felt like the same thing. The former is not always caused by a lack of energy, but also excessive idleness, especially if I'm doing things that requires attention but also isn't intellectually stimulating. When the author refers to "normal tired" and "dead tired", I think that echoes with my tw…

This was an interesting post to me because I've never heard of that distinction, and I think I'm similar. I've often had issues with "being tired" but it's probably more accurately what you call languor. I'll have times when I'm bored throughout the day and sleepy but then a video game or stubborn coding problem will get me engaged and I'll suddenly spend hours and not feel tired at all while the time flies.

Likewise, I do find exercise helps when I do force myself to do it. The issue is often I have days where I struggle to motivate myself to do stimulating things, but perhaps that's another issue. Not really sure what could help there.

Re: On being tired

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Post by ipaddr »

atentaten wrote: post #7
angarg12 wrote: post #5

I've spent the last couple of years at the two bottom levels of that scale. It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize one of the root causes: my wife and I have fundamentally different personalities that are at odds with each other. My wife is an extrovert. She is energized by going out, visiting places, doing things, meeting people. I'm an introvert. I get energized by staying in, reading a book, watching a…

What was your solution to the problem of negotiating with your wife about what to do on the weekends?

Get kids

Re: On being tired

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Post by kubanczyk »

surfmike wrote: post #29
williamtrask wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also high CO2 in working and sleeping areas. Basically any older building without HVAC and with upgraded (double pane) windows.

Most home HVAC systems don’t bring in fresh air, right? Just recirculate air in the house.

V in HVAC is for "ventilation" and although home AC unit might not provide it itself, I'd be surprised if there really wasn't any. Unlike AC, V is mandated by law in many jurisdictions.

Re: On being tired

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Post by jdthedisciple »

Silverback_VII wrote: post #21
ranprieur wrote: post #14

I find it strange that he takes for granted that activities should "give back energy", and that you have to be dead tired for that not to happen. Personally, even when I have good energy, almost everything I do drains it and doesn't give it back, until I sleep to recharge. Maybe this is the difference between highly motivated people and the rest of us, that they find it normal for activities to give back energy.

Cardiovascular exercise takes more energy than it gives at the beginning but your body will get less easily tired further down the road. So yes, activities can give energy.

Not sure why you're being downvoted because it seems true to me:

For example, starting out with running feels very exhaustive and draining but once you're in the habit of it you overall feel more energetic I believe.

Re: On being tired

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Post by Silverback_VII »

skrebbel wrote: post #25
Silverback_VII wrote: post #12

I believe that there is a general tiredness affecting large parts of the population. Maybe some side effects of covid-19 / the vaccines or maybe it’s completely unrelated and more psychological in nature like lack of deeper meaning in most people's lives. All I know is that you have to fight it. this tiredness doesn't go away with more rest. On the contrary, your self-esteem will take a hit and you will internalise y…

This is dangerous advice, it really depends on what you're tired from and you can't apply it generally. Eg tiredness caused by actual, diagnosed, Long Covid often does go away with more rest. In fact, even a tiny bit too much, too soon, can severely set back your recovery. To my understanding, parent's "just will yourself back into shape" advice is the exact opposite of what long covid patients should be told. (Sourc…

To let you drag down by outer circumstances is more dangerous in my opinion. When you start running even if you would rather lay in bed that generates a lot of self-esteem. The resulting positive attitude may even be good for your immune system.

In some unfortunate situations you need to take some risks to get out of it.

Re: On being tired

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Post by kqr »

surfmike wrote: post #29
williamtrask wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also high CO2 in working and sleeping areas. Basically any older building without HVAC and with upgraded (double pane) windows.

Most home HVAC systems don’t bring in fresh air, right? Just recirculate air in the house.

The ones I know suck air out of the building (well, really, create a mild low pressure), and rely on fresh air getting in elsewhere (for example through dedicated intakes around windows in apartments.)
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