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Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by mlqaa »

jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

Many (if not the majority) of open source projects that are used to power the whole spectacle have originated in Europe and now have a majority of international contributors.

But the power centers (foundations etc.) are in the USA. International contributors are expected to bow to U.S. cultural dominance and follow the latest whims.

OSS has been stolen by the USA.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by testaccountfor »

djohnston wrote: post #7
jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

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If you don't like it then take your business elsewhere.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

The context for this: say you're a SaaS and you want to tap into the EU market. Per GDPR, personally identifiable data shouldn't leave the jurisdiction of the EU so you should use EU hosted servers, storage etc.

So you might then split your app to an EU hosted datacenter of your preferred cloud provider.

This ruling says that's insufficient as while the data remains functionally in the EU it's still possible for it to be accessed on the backend by non EU entities.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by testaccountfor »

ROTMetro wrote: post #29
akmarinov wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those US companies are free to not be on the EU market, just saying

Why should they? Europe signed free trade agreements and promised they would open their markets to the USA if the USA reciprocated. Excluding American companies from doing business seems a pretty big violation of this. I guess EU is free to cancel those free trade agreements, but they aren't free to just ignore them and just make it illegal for American companies to do business in Europe because of privacy rules that…

American cloud companies spy on European citizens on behalf of American government. This is illegal under European law.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by superchroma »

djohnston wrote: post #7
jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

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They're taking a hard stance on the on-selling of user data. Since they can't influence Washington to do the same, do they have any other option?

Given American companies have been, to put it most graciously, cavalier, with user data, and that we at the beginning of a revolution where user tracking in retail spaces becomes ubiquitous, is it fair to characterize this move as a profit-oriented one primarily?

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by tpmx »

srrr wrote: post #2

summary (English): https://gdprhub.eu/index.php?title=VK_Baden-W%C3%BCrttemburg... news article (German): https://www.golem.de/news/vergabekammer-clouddienste-von-us-... primary source (German): https://rewis.io/s/u/PjK/ press statement of law firm (German): https://gruendelpartner.de/newsroom/gruendelpartner-erwirkt-...

Golem.de article key phrase: "The use of a US cloud service can justify exclusion from a public procurement process."

(The emphasis is mine. Almost all commenters here so far seem to think it's broader than this, which it isn't.)

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by bettysdiagnose »

djohnston wrote: post #7
jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

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If you cared about your fellow citizens, you could have the same. But judging by the hordes of mentally ill people wandering aimlessly around your cities harassing strangers (including visitors such as myself)—you don't.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by throw827474737 »

djohnston wrote: post #7
jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…

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I think it is more about the US flaunting in everybodies else face once too often that humans are not equal and that even when it comes to very basic rights, there is the US- and the other-human.

Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court

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Post by srrr »

miohtama wrote: post #14

Does anyone know the Company A and Company B in the question? Microsoft? AFAIK public procurement documents are often public.

Searching for "12.1 Regions. Customer can specify the location(s) where Customer Data will be processed within the" (as mentioned in the verdict) yields AWS as the problematic sub-processor for company A: https://d1.awsstatic.com/legal/aws-gdpr/AWS_GDPR_DPA.pdf
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