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Re: The Manhattan Grid extended to every point on Earth

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Very cool of course.

Why do the avenue lines meet at an antipode? In Manhattan, they are parallel, they don't converge.

I understand the difference between latitude and longitude lines. A meridian of longitude is a great circle centered at the Earth's center; a line of latitude is a small circle (the analogue of a chord in a 2D circle on a plane) whose center lies north or south of the Earth's center in three dimensions. Longitude lines divide a sphere like slices of an orange, converging at poles; latitude lines divide a sphere like a tomato slicer and do not converge.

There's actually two "poles"; aside from the one in Uzbekistan that everyone is seeing, there's another in the South Pacific Ocean at the antipodal point from Uzbekistan. So the avenues are being treated as meridian lines; great circles. Would it be more accurate to extrapolate avenues as parallel small circles?

We could test this theory by inspecting whether Manhattan's actual grid respects the curvature of the Earth. If the avenues are closer together at the northern end of the island, then the avenues actually do behave as meridians. If not, then the extrapolated avenue lines should be small circles and would not converge. You'd still have a pole in Uzbekistan, where the last street becomes an arbitrarily small circle, but just one avenue line through it. (I gotta run at the moment but will throw some trigonometry at this later.)

Re: The Manhattan Grid extended to every point on Earth

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post #31

Very cool of course. Why do the avenue lines meet at an antipode? In Manhattan, they are parallel, they don't converge. I understand the difference between latitude and longitude lines. A meridian of longitude is a great circle centered at the Earth's center; a line of latitude is a small circle (the analogue of a chord in a 2D circle on a plane) whose center lies north or south of the Earth's center in three dimensi…

> Why do the avenue lines meet at an antipode? In Manhattan, they are parallel, they don't converge.

Sure they do. Manhattan isn't a plane; it's a region on the surface of a sphere. From Wikipedia[1], "In the spherical plane, all geodesics are great circles. ...all great circles intersect each other."

Clearly, it's the non-intersecting streets that are at fault here. They should intersect, but don't.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_(geometry)#Spherical

Re: The Manhattan Grid extended to every point on Earth

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What is this?

Assuming you aren't a troll. Manhattan - like most US cities have streets/avenues based on a regular grid and numbered consecutively Streets East/West and Avenues North/South. So you can continue the numbering scheme across the entire world. The angles are due to the fact that the streets are aligned with the island of Manhattan rather than geographic north.

No, I'm not a troll. I had never imagined this before, very cool!

Re: The Manhattan Grid extended to every point on Earth

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Very cool of course. Why do the avenue lines meet at an antipode? In Manhattan, they are parallel, they don't converge. I understand the difference between latitude and longitude lines. A meridian of longitude is a great circle centered at the Earth's center; a line of latitude is a small circle (the analogue of a chord in a 2D circle on a plane) whose center lies north or south of the Earth's center in three dimensi…

> Why do the avenue lines meet at an antipode? In Manhattan, they are parallel, they don't converge. Sure they do. Manhattan isn't a plane; it's a region on the surface of a sphere. From Wikipedia[1], "In the spherical plane, all geodesics are great circles. ...all great circles intersect each other." Clearly, it's the non-intersecting streets that are at fault here. They should intersect, but don't. [1]: http://en.w…

You're right about the avenues, but as for the streets I decided to make them concentric circles, completely analogous to lines of latitude. So they never intersect.

Re: The Manhattan Grid extended to every point on Earth

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Very cool of course. Why do the avenue lines meet at an antipode? In Manhattan, they are parallel, they don't converge. I understand the difference between latitude and longitude lines. A meridian of longitude is a great circle centered at the Earth's center; a line of latitude is a small circle (the analogue of a chord in a 2D circle on a plane) whose center lies north or south of the Earth's center in three dimensi…

Haha interesting point about measuring the avenues to see which method is more accurate.

I was primarily inspired by lines of latitude (streets) and longitude (avenues), but I'd definitely be interested to see what it looks like when both are treated as concentric small circles.

Re: The Manhattan Grid extended to every point on Earth

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A shame this came out too late to be added to XKCD's "Map Projections" comic. I'd call it the "Manhattan Uzbekistan Projection."

If I understand map projections correctly , isn't this just whatever projection google maps uses (Mercator) with an overlay? I probably don't really.

Yes this is definitely just Mercator. But you could reproject in a Manhattan-relative way, such that this larger grid actually looks like a grid (just like latitude and longitude do in Mercator) and that might be a... pointless new projection.

Re: The Manhattan Grid extended to every point on Earth

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming you aren't a troll. Manhattan - like most US cities have streets/avenues based on a regular grid and numbered consecutively Streets East/West and Avenues North/South. So you can continue the numbering scheme across the entire world. The angles are due to the fact that the streets are aligned with the island of Manhattan rather than geographic north.

I live in a city with a street plan defined by an irrigation ditch cut around 1300AD and a market place that was active 1150 AD or so. Other places nearby have main streets surveyed originally by the Romans. I suspect this was not a troll. Greetings from very near 10137Ave, 62586st, bluenose territory.

The original main street in this city was pretty much defined by the 12,000 year old glaciated tail behind the crag of a 350 million year old volcano. :-)

7920Ave, 62638St

Re: The Manhattan Grid extended to every point on Earth

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming you aren't a troll. Manhattan - like most US cities have streets/avenues based on a regular grid and numbered consecutively Streets East/West and Avenues North/South. So you can continue the numbering scheme across the entire world. The angles are due to the fact that the streets are aligned with the island of Manhattan rather than geographic north.

No, I'm not a troll. I had never imagined this before, very cool!

You might like this then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattanhenge
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