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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by kps »

josephcsible wrote: post #27
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

> the Emirates cannot trade with Israel Is "cannot" really accurate? Isn't it more like they voluntarily chose not to do so?

Used to. Israel and UAE normalized relations in 2020 and signed a free trade deal this spring.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by kshacker »

chmod600 wrote: post #28
przemub wrote: post #17

Trade is really a matter for the government, and the US (sadly) adheres to the One China Policy. This just reflects the official policy, and having the companies pick this fight instead of the country is hypocritical.

There's some nuance here. We have free speech in the US. Freedom means choice, so there's still an obligation to act morally. China is more than willing to manipulate cultural messages with money, so we need some kind of cultural counter to that. For instance, see how China manipulated the NBA and Activision Blizzard during the Hong Kong protests.

As part of free speech, can a company from somewhere in south send out parts in boxes with confederate flag on the box?

We make decisions to curtail free speech everyday so how's this different?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by BudaDude »

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by sneak »

lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

> they always have an eye on Chinese profits

Not really. Pretty much every iPhone sold everywhere is manufactured in China, and they all use chips from Taiwan.

There is no Apple without China. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals, working in Chinese-jurisdiction factories, produce Apple's products. Without the full consent and cooperation of the Chinese government, there are no Apple products. Full stop.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by jrochkind1 »

lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

It reads to me like Apple is warning suppliers that it's parts may not get to factories in China if it does not comply with Chinese law.

You would like Apple to... stop importing parts from Taiwan to China? That doesn't seem right, it would hurt Taiwan. Stop manufacturing in China? That's... ambitious. Ignore the situation and just accept assembly lines being halted because of lack of parts stopped at border? Other?

I don't totally see how America's future is at stake requiring current escalations to challenges to China's long-standing statement that Taiwan is part of china. You think America may cease to exist unless the government chooses right now to change their policy and refuse to let China maintain this fiction? And that private corporations start challenging it too even before the government does? Or else America may cease to exist?

Just curious, I would like to learn more about what you're looking for here. I'm curious if you are hoping for a shooting war between the US and China, if you think that would be good for "America's future"?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by spookthesunset »

lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

I mean what are they supposed to do? Choose your battles. If your home country says Taiwan is part of China the easiest path with the least resistance is to label stuff from Taiwan as “made in china”.

Of all the fights Apple can choose to pick, it seems like this one just isn’t worth it. Much better they pick fights about police having the ability to unlock phones or something.

Choose your battles. Let some shoe company pick that battle or something…

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by sneak »

mountainb wrote: post #11
elil17 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter what Apple does? I would think that reading "Made in Chinese Tiapei" only serves as a reminder of China's policy.

Apple will knuckle under in about 3 seconds when the war starts and do whatever the US government asks them to do.

100% of Apple's important chips depend on Taiwan continuing to be Taiwan (and TSMC continuing to be TSMC).

~100% of Apple's manufacturing depends on China continuing to permit hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals in Chinese factories (Foxconn's plants in Zhengzhou and elsewhere) building Apple products.

I'm not sure what you mean by "knuckle under" in this context, but Apple is, today, wholly dependent upon Taiwanese and Chinese manufacturing (for chips, and assembly, respectively).

If there is a war between China and Taiwan, or China and the US, Apple stands to lose the most of any single organization, I think.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by spookthesunset »

kshacker wrote: post #32
chmod600 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some nuance here. We have free speech in the US. Freedom means choice, so there's still an obligation to act morally. China is more than willing to manipulate cultural messages with money, so we need some kind of cultural counter to that. For instance, see how China manipulated the NBA and Activision Blizzard during the Hong Kong protests.

As part of free speech, can a company from somewhere in south send out parts in boxes with confederate flag on the box? We make decisions to curtail free speech everyday so how's this different?

I’m sure they could and I bet some do. How that maps into sales is a different story.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by gedy »

melling wrote: post #22
lucasjans wrote: post #2

This company pretends it has the moral high ground, but like most of corporate America, they always have an eye on Chinese profits. America's future is at stake and we won't wake up until it's too late.

“America’s future is at stake” Please. It’s 2022 and the China buildup was funded by the American consumer over the past 3 decades. It’s already too late but it’s easy to criticize companies that gave us they cheaper products we so desired by offshoring

> gave us they cheaper products we so desired by offshoring

This is kind of silly to blame average people on the street for buying something cheaper that shows up in their local stores. This is all on the government (both parties), and large corporations for pushing this. People didn't "want" NAFTA, slave labor, etc.

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