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Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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For context, A/C in public places is not as prevalent as in the US. In some large retailers, e.g. El Corte Ingles, it's set to ~24 degrees Celsius, quite lower than outdoors, especially in the larger cities of Central, Southern, and Mediterranean Spain. It feels really cold. Anyway, the odd voice here is the one from the president of the Madrid region, who went on Twitter to say that they won't comply, mostly not bec…

Freedom is a good hill to die on.

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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I guess the "don't wear ties" comment was meant to be less serious, but men's business clothing has driven a lot of office thermostats to 60⁰F over the course of my experience. Men in suits and ties are comfortable at the approximate temperature of a meat locker, while everyone else is freezing and energy is wasted. If the PM were serious about trendsetting to reduce energy use, he would ban the suit jacket and encou…

It's not just that, it's also that men have higher skin temps than women. If a man and woman were wearing the exact same clothes, in the exact same room, the man would still almost certainly be feeling warmer.

Is that effect mediated by body size, or is it true even when corrected for body size and shape?

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just that, it's also that men have higher skin temps than women. If a man and woman were wearing the exact same clothes, in the exact same room, the man would still almost certainly be feeling warmer.

What's the relative impact of that vs clothing though?

I'd say far less than the layers of wool in a suit.

I work from home and don't do business suits. I've always kept the a/c on 26 because I don't like the shock that you get when moving even from 19 to 30. Looks like other people are finally noticing that...

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because you didn't grow up with Celcius. Celcius makes sense because it's based on water, 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling. What's Fahrenheit based on? Anything we use in our daily lives?

Yes, it’s incredibly useful for outdoor temperature. 0 F means it’s very cold, 100 F means it’s very hot. Meanwhile, 0 C means it’s sort of a little cold, and 100 C means your eyes will melt. I grew up with and actively use Celsius, but this instinctive disdain for other measurement systems leaves me… a little cold. It’s not even like Fahrenheit has weird non-decimal ratios. Save your mocking for the avoirdupois furl…

I'm British. Let me give you some intuition.

30C+ is too hot to go outside.

20-30C is a hot summer.

12-20C is the rest of the year.

0-12C is jumper weather or freezing to death in your home, depending on whether you can afford your energy bill.

<0C is fucking Baltic.

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

#35

For context, A/C in public places is not as prevalent as in the US. In some large retailers, e.g. El Corte Ingles, it's set to ~24 degrees Celsius, quite lower than outdoors, especially in the larger cities of Central, Southern, and Mediterranean Spain. It feels really cold. Anyway, the odd voice here is the one from the president of the Madrid region, who went on Twitter to say that they won't comply, mostly not bec…

> Personally, it sounds like the stupidest hill to die on.

Lit showcases are an anti theft measure too...

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

#36

For whatever reason, I don't comprehend Celsius intuitively. I convert that to Fahrenheit and see 80.6 degrees. Is Spain dry? Or humid? I would revolt as I much prefer cold.

10 is cool,

20 is not.

30 is warm,

40 is hot!

Body temp 37c.

20c = 68f (room temp)

30c = 86f. (68 mirrored)

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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post #31

For context, A/C in public places is not as prevalent as in the US. In some large retailers, e.g. El Corte Ingles, it's set to ~24 degrees Celsius, quite lower than outdoors, especially in the larger cities of Central, Southern, and Mediterranean Spain. It feels really cold. Anyway, the odd voice here is the one from the president of the Madrid region, who went on Twitter to say that they won't comply, mostly not bec…

Freedom is a good hill to die on.

What does that have to do with freedom? You mean the freedom of a business owner to set their AC to whatever they like? Why is that symbolic of "freedom" in any way? As a business owner we have agreed as a society that there is a lot of rules you have to obey already - you cannot throw your rubbish out on the street, you must post your prices clearly, you must provide disabled access, you must give refunds for faulty items, etc etc etc. How is it freedom to be able to set your AC to 25C, but not building disabled access for your customers isn't?

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

#38
post #27
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because you didn't grow up with Celcius. Celcius makes sense because it's based on water, 0 is freezing and 100 is boiling. What's Fahrenheit based on? Anything we use in our daily lives?

Yes, it’s incredibly useful for outdoor temperature. 0 F means it’s very cold, 100 F means it’s very hot. Meanwhile, 0 C means it’s sort of a little cold, and 100 C means your eyes will melt. I grew up with and actively use Celsius, but this instinctive disdain for other measurement systems leaves me… a little cold. It’s not even like Fahrenheit has weird non-decimal ratios. Save your mocking for the avoirdupois furl…

As someone from a tropical country, 0C is not a little cold and 100F is a normal day. As a universal unit, Celcius makes more sense because it can be defined easily.

Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius

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post #34
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it’s incredibly useful for outdoor temperature. 0 F means it’s very cold, 100 F means it’s very hot. Meanwhile, 0 C means it’s sort of a little cold, and 100 C means your eyes will melt. I grew up with and actively use Celsius, but this instinctive disdain for other measurement systems leaves me… a little cold. It’s not even like Fahrenheit has weird non-decimal ratios. Save your mocking for the avoirdupois furl…

I'm British. Let me give you some intuition. 30C+ is too hot to go outside. 20-30C is a hot summer. 12-20C is the rest of the year. 0-12C is jumper weather or freezing to death in your home, depending on whether you can afford your energy bill. <0C is fucking Baltic.

Unless you're northern in which case 0-12C is t-shirt weather
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