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In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by tomrod »

ceejayoz wrote: post #10
dbsights wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason we should have had a problem with it then. If racism is wrong, then it shouldn't matter which race.

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You and I probably agree on the principle. I just want to call attention that this sort of snipe doesn't communicate well, in my opinion. I feel like the term racism has been split between race-based bigotry (which most people argue when they say "I'm not racist!") and supporting systems which encourage systemic preferences for certain groups. As I mention in another comment, I wish I understood this topic more, because the latter definition appears to be where folks are complaining about affirmative action since the end-state metrics aren't well defined (or maybe they are, but aren't well communicated?).

Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by btilly »

To quote from the brief.

Unlike applicants whose identities have been affected mainly by their socioeconomic or geographic circumstances, applicants whose formative experiences relate to race or ethnicity would be denied the opportunity to convey their full, authentic selves when competing for admission to selective schools like Amici.

And so we guarantee that millions of Americans will have a formative experience that THEIR race (various Asian groups) are allowed to be discriminated against. Instead of being rewarded if they follow every rule on how to fit in and succeed.

Let's be clear. The schools are literally fighting to let them continue excluding the grandchildren of people who were put in a camp for being the wrong race (Japanese in WW 2). Separately those same teenagers have to deal with a world where hate crimes against Asians just jumped. Locally in Orange county it is up over 100%.

This is just wrong. And that people who support the policy claim to be for "tolerance" is just hypocrisy.

Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by _-david-_ »

ramesh31 wrote: post #8
vorpalhex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't give one racial group a disadvantage (Asians) to give another one an advantage. The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind.

>The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind. Asian immigrants are not struggling to escape the clutches of centuries old intergenerational poverty. It's not even remotely the same thing.

Many Asians are dealing with intergenerational poverty including multi-century. Much of the discrimination before the 1900s were in other countries, but Asians have frequently faced discrimination.

In the US there has been discrimination for over 100 years.

Please stop justifying racism.

Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by bogantech »

ramesh31 wrote: post #8
vorpalhex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't give one racial group a disadvantage (Asians) to give another one an advantage. The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind.

>The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind. Asian immigrants are not struggling to escape the clutches of centuries old intergenerational poverty. It's not even remotely the same thing.

> Asian immigrants are not struggling to escape the clutches of centuries old intergenerational poverty. It's not even remotely the same thing.

Asian immigrants are escaping intergenerational poverty that they are suffering from today

Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by colpabar »

ceejayoz wrote: post #10
dbsights wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason we should have had a problem with it then. If racism is wrong, then it shouldn't matter which race.

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But yale was one of the institutions that was doing the abusing, right? Shouldn’t they be the ones who are punished? That isn’t what’s happening though, they are punishing “non-diverse” (see: white and asian) students instead.

Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

colinmhayes wrote: post #23
vorpalhex wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't give one racial group a disadvantage (Asians) to give another one an advantage. The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" comes to mind.

Why not? While Asian immigrants certainly face discrimination they have also certainly experienced much less than black Americans have over the last 300 years.

> Why not?

Probably because judging people their race makes you no better than those that judged people on their race.

Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

ceejayoz wrote: post #10
dbsights wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason we should have had a problem with it then. If racism is wrong, then it shouldn't matter which race.

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I see affirmative action less as treatment for historical grievances and more like reverse racism.

We should be suspicious when the treatment looks so similar to the abuse, to use your analogy.

Re: In Supreme Court brief, Yale and peers defend use of race in admissions

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Post by xiande04 »

tomrod wrote: post #2

I didn't realize college admissions' affirmative action had reached SCOTUS. I wonder what the outcome will be. Key summary: > "Today Yale joined peer institutions in stating emphatically that student diversity is essential to the missions of American universities and promotes educational excellence for all students,” President Peter Salovey said. “Our amicus curiae brief makes clear that the way we consider race and…

I think the goal of using race in admissions is more about giving disadvantaged people an advantage rather than increasing "diversity of thought".
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