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Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by manholio »

nicoburns wrote: post #21

Somewhat surprisingly, Linux support for Apple Silicon MacBooks seems to be shaping up to be better than that for pretty much any other laptop. The Asahi team don’t have support for everything yet (notably no GPU) but what they do have support for seems to be high quality, well integrated with Linux’s conventions, and upstreamed into the mainline kernel! How much other hardware can claim that? The Asahi developers ha…

> MacBooks could easily end up becoming the laptop of choice for Linux developers

That is, if they want to subsidize with their own wallets the dominance of consumer-hostile computing that open source was created to avert.

Except for development such as this here, which aims at liberating users from a closed platform, I would have a philosophical problem to buy such hardware purely for my convenience.

Let's not fool ourselves, when proprietary hardware from platform giants like Amazon and Apple becomes dominant killing open ecosystems, the end of road can only lead to consumer coercion, regardless if a negligible fraction of users would be able to still run Linux on such hardware.

Re: Linux 5.19

#32

Post by dcminter »

nicce wrote: post #23
moonbas3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first number being changed doesn't mean anything in particular, it's just like another release. Check the release post for 5.0: https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/3/3/236

So we can conclude, that the the big star of open source is not enforcing the child of open source :( Ref SemVer: https://semver.org/

The unofficial motto of the Linux kernel is "Don't break userspace" so semver wouldn't be useful.

Re: Linux 5.19

#34

Post by hnlmorg »

pasc1878 wrote: post #30
hnlmorg wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots more different than that: + Windows has the Windows key (which Linux called "super") + Windows also has the context menu key, which I think it pretty useless to be honest but others might get value from that + The Mac keyboard layout is US-like, even on European models. Which means a bunch of keys are in different places from their European IBM counterparts (like @ and "). The # and / keys I find particularly ha…

Much of that is not the keyboard but the OS So running Linux on an Apple keyboard will not have the last two issues. As for # in macOSdon't use a UK layout use Irish or Australian which are the same except for shift-3

> Much of that is not the keyboard but the OS So running Linux on an Apple keyboard will not have the last two issues.

Only the last two items and I did prefix those items saying it was the OS so wouldn't be affected by running Linux. I'm not trying to deceive people here.

> As for # in macOSdon't use a UK layout use Irish or Australian which are the same except for shift-3

...or you can just redefine the keyboard layout, as I also stated in my comment (I assume you did actually read it?).

None of the problems I raised were intended to be negative about Apple so you don't need to jump to the defence here. I'm just stating the differences between Mac and IBM/Microsoft keyboard layouts.

Re: Linux 5.19

#35

Post by dual_dingo »

nicce wrote: post #23
moonbas3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first number being changed doesn't mean anything in particular, it's just like another release. Check the release post for 5.0: https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/3/3/236

So we can conclude, that the the big star of open source is not enforcing the child of open source :( Ref SemVer: https://semver.org/

I don't think SemVer is an appropriate versioning scheme for the Linux kernel due to the extremely large number of subsystems that make up the whole.

Re: Linux 5.19

#36

Post by Fredej »

ogogmad wrote: post #29
nicoburns wrote: post #21

Somewhat surprisingly, Linux support for Apple Silicon MacBooks seems to be shaping up to be better than that for pretty much any other laptop. The Asahi team don’t have support for everything yet (notably no GPU) but what they do have support for seems to be high quality, well integrated with Linux’s conventions, and upstreamed into the mainline kernel! How much other hardware can claim that? The Asahi developers ha…

> Given this, it seems like MacBooks could easily end up becoming the laptop of choice for Linux developers in the years to come. What's the situation with traditional USB and HDMI ports? Dongles are easy to forget and easy to break, and lots of us have traditional USB devices lying around and 10-year-old TVs.

There's an HDMI, 3 Thunderbolt 4 (USB-C), an SD card reader and a headphone jack on the Macbook Pro.

https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/

Re: Linux 5.19

#37

Post by AndyJames »

_wolfie_ wrote: post #19
OJFord wrote: post #14

> I'll likely call [the next release] 6.0 since I'm starting to worry about getting confused by big numbers again. I'm not sure whether to read this as a joke, or if there's really no semantic difference between x & y version numbers for the Linux kernel? [Edit: that was a sincere question, not 'what a joke', I didn't mean anything against it.] If I hadn't seen that I'd have been very cautious, a bit worried even, ab…

As far as I know the first two number basically don't have any meaning these days as far as size of the changes goes.

Yup, they're just going up until Linus gets confused and he bumps it up to next "major" number.

Re: Linux 5.19

#38

Post by nivenkos »

manholio wrote: post #31
nicoburns wrote: post #21

Somewhat surprisingly, Linux support for Apple Silicon MacBooks seems to be shaping up to be better than that for pretty much any other laptop. The Asahi team don’t have support for everything yet (notably no GPU) but what they do have support for seems to be high quality, well integrated with Linux’s conventions, and upstreamed into the mainline kernel! How much other hardware can claim that? The Asahi developers ha…

> MacBooks could easily end up becoming the laptop of choice for Linux developers That is, if they want to subsidize with their own wallets the dominance of consumer-hostile computing that open source was created to avert. Except for development such as this here, which aims at liberating users from a closed platform, I would have a philosophical problem to buy such hardware purely for my convenience. Let's not fool…

Yeah, if you can afford a Macbook, you can afford a Framework.

Re: Linux 5.19

#39

Post by anothernewdude »

ogogmad wrote: post #29
nicoburns wrote: post #21

Somewhat surprisingly, Linux support for Apple Silicon MacBooks seems to be shaping up to be better than that for pretty much any other laptop. The Asahi team don’t have support for everything yet (notably no GPU) but what they do have support for seems to be high quality, well integrated with Linux’s conventions, and upstreamed into the mainline kernel! How much other hardware can claim that? The Asahi developers ha…

> Given this, it seems like MacBooks could easily end up becoming the laptop of choice for Linux developers in the years to come. What's the situation with traditional USB and HDMI ports? Dongles are easy to forget and easy to break, and lots of us have traditional USB devices lying around and 10-year-old TVs.

My M1 has an HDMI 2.0 port.

Re: Linux 5.19

#40

Post by david_allison »

MichaelRazum wrote: post #5

Anyone using it fulltime? Just curious how the simple things work for you. The biggest question for me would be the keyboard, since linux seems to be much more windows like. PS: Im on a p1 gen4 thinkapd very happy with it, BUT it is sometimes really noisy..

I'm running Ubuntu arm64 on my M1 MacBook Pro 14 inch via Parallels + a Bluetooth keyboard.

Ubuntu's not a daily driver, there's a bit of initial effort in switching between macOS + Linux keyboards, but it's usable.

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