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Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by kickout »

skybrian wrote: post #21
kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

Consider the difference between stealing and buying water, and that often, in the Mississippi watershed, there is too much water. Selling water you don't need or want and getting paid for it doesn't seem like a bad thing? Although, a lot depends on the price.

selling mineral or water rights for a dime today is poor short term thinking.

How did the owens valley owners make out after selling there water?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_water_wars

ETA: although only optics, very bad look for the richest state to “buy” water from one of the poorest states in what would almost 100% be a poor long term deal for Louisiana.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by bee_rider »

I'm probably just uninformed about this, but can anyone explain why there are so many comments about California here? The article seems to be about:

> Lake Powell (Glen Canyon dam on the Utah/Colorado border) and then downstream to Lake Mead (Hoover Dam/Las Vegas) and on through Arizona and beyond.

The article seems to use California as an example in a couple places, for example

> Water conservation on the part of everyone living in the Southwest is certainly important, but conservation simply can’t do the job. Los Angeles couldn’t exist without the California Aqueduct. Phoenix and other cities in the Southwest are in the same boat. Their future survival depends upon finding large amounts of new water.

but I think, at least, the main beneficiaries would be the Southwest states. (?)

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by hijinks »

colineartheta wrote: post #29
kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

Would you dare to elaborate? I frequently see this sentiment, yet have never once seen any detail made as to how it’s possible. Please explain.

once CA dries up the person above will then complain their food prices rose 4-5x because CA can't produce any food for them anymore.

How about CA trades food for water.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by jb510 »

kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

80% of water in California is used by agriculture, we’ll stop “stealing” water when you all stop “stealing” Cattle and Dairy, Almonds, Grapes, Lettuce, Strawberries, Tomatoes, and more a that we grow with water. Unless you’d rather buy that all shipped in from South America instead….

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by space_fountain »

I feel like this is a very unserious proposal. I'm all for massive engineering projects, but well, I feel like this response which I think like the linked article is basically just a letter to the editor type situation does a good job describing some problems https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/contributors/valley-.... But yeah it's a tremendous construction project, a huge amount of water to lift up into the mountains, and all instead of just growing the food somewhere else and then shipping that.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by logicalmind »

hijinks wrote: post #33
colineartheta wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you dare to elaborate? I frequently see this sentiment, yet have never once seen any detail made as to how it’s possible. Please explain.

once CA dries up the person above will then complain their food prices rose 4-5x because CA can't produce any food for them anymore. How about CA trades food for water.

The Great Lakes area is unable to produce food for about 6 months out of the year. So as long as people in the Great Lakes are eating preserved foods only during that time. I am fine with that trade.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by kickout »

colineartheta wrote: post #29
kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

Would you dare to elaborate? I frequently see this sentiment, yet have never once seen any detail made as to how it’s possible. Please explain.

Why should you be guaranteed water if you live in CA? It’s an arid ecosystem that naturally has fires (chapparal) and low rainfall. It can only support so much life. Just because there are great views and great climate, the fatal flaw is lack of fresh water.

Re: Time for Army Corps of Engineers to investigate moving water West?

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Post by alar44 »

jb510 wrote: post #35
kickout wrote: post #5

Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.

80% of water in California is used by agriculture, we’ll stop “stealing” water when you all stop “stealing” Cattle and Dairy, Almonds, Grapes, Lettuce, Strawberries, Tomatoes, and more a that we grow with water. Unless you’d rather buy that all shipped in from South America instead….

Sure, we'll just grow it in the midwest, ie, the rest of the country. Only reason we grow mostly corn is because of subsidies. That can be easily changed. If you're suggesting CA is the only viable farmland in the country, you are mistaken.
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