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Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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Re: Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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As someone with diagnosed mental illness and a degree in Psychology, I feel I can add something to this discussion. My personal experience growing up was difficult. As a middle age adult, I have developed skills that make my life seem pretty normal. I no longer need psychiatric medication. One thing I tell my kids that I didn't understand when I was young is, much of what you feel and experience is the human condition. We all feel depressed, anxious, behave neurotically at times etc.. it's a matter of degree. Does it keep you from having normal relationships, a job, being financially responsible? The problem with this is there are many people I have worked with or known who couldn't keep relationship's or a job but were not mentally ill.

I would have been diagnosed on the spectrum had been born a couple decades later. My issues were blamed on being left handed, being "right brained".

I think when we live in a society where we have time to spend on social media sharing our mental health challenges in lieu of just trying to find food and shelter, it's a sign of advancement. I am also hopeful that the current pattern of glorifying illness and sympathy seeking behavior will diminish as we all become comfortable talking about it.

Re: Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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It's true. Certain circles of tumblr, tiktok, and twitter have made it "fashionable" to have mental disorders among themselves in an audience for victim points. (The uncharitable side of me would add "because physical disorders aren't so easily faked".) This obviously does not negate my sympathy for those with the real disorders - I have some as well. It's enraging to see the real stuff be treated so lightly though.

This is such the wrong take, it feels trendy because those circles of social media / younger people have destigmatized talking about mental illness and sharing their experiences leading to a huge audience having a collective “oh shit that’s not normal” / “the normal amount of pain is zero” moment. And the communities that surround them adhdmeme or edanonymemes are spaces for people to commiserate that are now more vi…

While it's absolutely true that mental illness is being destigmatized, it's also true that large parts of this community are indeed "faking it", see /r/fakedisordercringe or search "fake disorder cringe" on YouTube.

In totality this is probably just part of the pendulum swing, and as awareness of fake disorder cringe grows, and as mental illness actually becomes "just normal" we will also see this phenomenon slowly disappear.

I just hope that all this doesn't lead to over-diagnosis of various mental disorders, because that would be a horrible outcome. We already see this with ADHD and autism, since those diagnoses are so fluid, and the nature of the "spectrum" is inherently fluid.

Re: Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t have my finger on the pulse of what’s chic, but this line: “…“the gentrification of disability,” how sickness became chic…“ is quite something.

Agreed. It also reminded me of the book Illness as Metaphor by Susan Sontag. In the essay she talks about the social perception and behaviors around illness and how those create real barriers to overcoming and curing disease. Specifically, the she writes about how consumption was at one time fashionable due to the gaunt physique and blasé attitude TB would often cause.

Re: Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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> to put it another way, they felt obligated to shame people into not seeking treatment, in hopes of not having to admit that they didn't know how to help their patients. On the contrary, shaming people into not seeking treatment is how they were helping them. Prevention is the best cure, after all.

I get the point that psychiatrists wanted to avoid over-diagnosing/over-prescribing, but what if they ended up over-prescribing societal shame itself, which is after all a very blunt instrument? This is particularly likely to occur if the incentives are aligned to make the problem seem to go away rather than doing the hard work of actually fixing things. In other words, they may not have been preventing or curing any…

> I get the point that psychiatrists wanted to avoid over-diagnosing/over-prescribing

But that isn't the point. The point was to prevent people from engaging in pathological behavior by pointing out that that's not something you should do. It's an obvious-but-shouldn't-be-necessary correction to the earlier state where people were admired for being dysfunctional.

Re: Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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This is such the wrong take, it feels trendy because those circles of social media / younger people have destigmatized talking about mental illness and sharing their experiences leading to a huge audience having a collective “oh shit that’s not normal” / “the normal amount of pain is zero” moment. And the communities that surround them adhdmeme or edanonymemes are spaces for people to commiserate that are now more vi…

While it's absolutely true that mental illness is being destigmatized, it's also true that large parts of this community are indeed "faking it", see /r/fakedisordercringe or search "fake disorder cringe" on YouTube. In totality this is probably just part of the pendulum swing, and as awareness of fake disorder cringe grows, and as mental illness actually becomes "just normal" we will also see this phenomenon slowly d…

Faking a mental disorder is a mental disorder

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factitious_disorder

Re: Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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This is such the wrong take, it feels trendy because those circles of social media / younger people have destigmatized talking about mental illness and sharing their experiences leading to a huge audience having a collective “oh shit that’s not normal” / “the normal amount of pain is zero” moment. And the communities that surround them adhdmeme or edanonymemes are spaces for people to commiserate that are now more vi…

While it's absolutely true that mental illness is being destigmatized, it's also true that large parts of this community are indeed "faking it", see /r/fakedisordercringe or search "fake disorder cringe" on YouTube. In totality this is probably just part of the pendulum swing, and as awareness of fake disorder cringe grows, and as mental illness actually becomes "just normal" we will also see this phenomenon slowly d…

You can’t use those places on the internet as evidence for anything en mass. Those “point and laugh” subreddits are just the internets eternal two minutes of hate. You would be insane for basing your opinion of back people based on, the now banned, /r/c*ntown.

If your argument is “there exist people who purposely fake various disorders” then sure you’re absolutely right. You can find all breeds of crazy if you go looking for it.

But what isn’t true at all is that the noticeable uptick in people realizing they have and being diagnosed with things like depression, adhd, anxiety is just the result of people faking it.

Re: Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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This is such the wrong take, it feels trendy because those circles of social media / younger people have destigmatized talking about mental illness and sharing their experiences leading to a huge audience having a collective “oh shit that’s not normal” / “the normal amount of pain is zero” moment. And the communities that surround them adhdmeme or edanonymemes are spaces for people to commiserate that are now more vi…

While it's absolutely true that mental illness is being destigmatized, it's also true that large parts of this community are indeed "faking it", see /r/fakedisordercringe or search "fake disorder cringe" on YouTube. In totality this is probably just part of the pendulum swing, and as awareness of fake disorder cringe grows, and as mental illness actually becomes "just normal" we will also see this phenomenon slowly d…

> We already see this with ADHD and autism

Any source for that? With both being so often defined in terms of external behavior (usually from parents perspective), I find it hard to believe that ADHD and autism aren't severely under-diagnosed, especially with many people still not figuring out that their "quirks" and "problems" are completely typical autistic behaviors until well in their adulthood; and I know for sure that they're both still massively under-diagnosed in women.

Re: Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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> Placebos won't lower your cholesterol or shrink a tumor. Instead, placebos work on symptoms modulated by the brain, like the perception of pain. "Placebos may make you feel better, but they will not cure you," says Kaptchuk. [0] https://www.health.harvard.edu/mental-health/the-power-of-th...

I would agree. However I've just read Dean Radin's Real Magic and now I'm not so sure. It would seem, if the ANOVA studies referenced in the book are real, that there really is something unexplainable about mind over matter. It's crazy yes. But all the studies are referenced in the book, and it sounds persuasive.

My unscientific head-canon is that it's exactly the same thing that a person who usually struggles with their self-esteem experiences once it improves: suddenly many things become easier and fate seems somewhat kinder. Not because there's some magic involved, but because your own behavior influences your outcomes in multitude of ways you don't think about or notice.

Re: Honestly: Does Glorifying Sickness Deter Healing?

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See also: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-crazy-like... > Around the Meiji Restoration, when everyone was obsessed with how great foreign stuff was, Japanese medical students went to Germany, learned psychiatry, came back to Japan, and told everyone they were neurasthenic. Being neurasthenic became first a fashion, then a class marker. The idea was that neurasthenics were people who were working too…

> psychiatrists felt obligated to restigmatize this mental disorder in hopes of limiting its adoption Or, to put it another way, they felt obligated to shame people into not seeking treatment, in hopes of not having to admit that they didn't know how to help their patients. Fewer patients, happier doctors, better metrics. Everyone wins, right?

> that fully one-third of patients visiting hospitals for consultations were suffering from the new disease

People have been making shit up for attention for at least the last 120 years.

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