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Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something that just flies an aircraft straight and level is still an autopilot, so I don't think it's a totally inaccurate metaphor. Ironically in these situations a more understated name would probably work better for PR. Headline of "Tesla on cruise control rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider" gives a much stronger impression of it being the driver's fault.

You bring up a valid argument but, unfortunately, it cuts both ways. Aircraft manufacturers are liable when their vehicles crash due to malfunction.

Aircraft manufacturers are not responsible for an autopilot crash

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

#32

I always think it's weird how instead of just improving public transit, we've all become fixated on self driving vehicles. Good transit would mean most people don't need to operate a vehicle while having a plethora of other benefits like combating climate change and more efficient land use (if you live in a suburb, take note of the sheer amount land dedicated to parking; it's often more land than the store for retail…

To a programmer every problem looks like a software problem. Information technology tends to free ride on public goods, essentially profiting from commons without contributing to them. That’s the feedback loop that is lacking. The negative externality, if you will, that should be brought in. If, let’s say ubers and taxis paid a tax when they rode around without passengers and that tax specifically went to road upkeep…

This isn't just programmers trying to "solve" a "problem" though, although many are indeed very confused about what constitutes a problem, let alone a solution. There is (or was, at least, prior to covid and the various lay-offs) a huge amount of VC going into self-driving to "disrupt" the transportation system. In other words, the tech bros are hungry for more power and money.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

#33

I always think it's weird how instead of just improving public transit, we've all become fixated on self driving vehicles. Good transit would mean most people don't need to operate a vehicle while having a plethora of other benefits like combating climate change and more efficient land use (if you live in a suburb, take note of the sheer amount land dedicated to parking; it's often more land than the store for retail…

> I always think it's weird how instead of just improving public transit, we've all become fixated on self driving vehicles.

To me self driving EV's appear a much more viable way to "solve" public transit everywhere beyond major metros. They'll drastically drop labor costs and are extremely flexible. No major infrastructure changes are needed compared to adding things like rail. No cities need to be redesigned in one fell swoop.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

#34
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Oh dear. It's getting really hard for anyone to defend this contraption. Perhaps that explains the silence from the Tesla autopilot crowd shocked by the news of this yet another collision from an unsafe piece of 'safety critical' software. Both Autopilot and FSD (Fools Self Driving) needs to be investigated urgently.

So we ban all drivers assistance so it can't be misused? What's your point?

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

#35

I always think it's weird how instead of just improving public transit, we've all become fixated on self driving vehicles. Good transit would mean most people don't need to operate a vehicle while having a plethora of other benefits like combating climate change and more efficient land use (if you live in a suburb, take note of the sheer amount land dedicated to parking; it's often more land than the store for retail…

US public transit is pretty good. I haven't been to a small town or big city that isn't serviced well.

It's not trivial to just redesign our suburbs. And the younger generation flock to big cities, not many seem interested to live in a small town that has potential for pedestrian centered design.

What exactly are you proposing?

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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I just spent a few hours on my Honda riding back from LA. I made it to a mile away from my apartment without incident only to watch a Tesla turn the wrong way onto the one-way street I was on. The driver was either using malfunctioning FSD or made a mistake as they immediately pulled up to the passenger-side curb. I'll be steering well clear of these things in the future.

Have you never accidentally turned onto a one way street when driving somewhere unfamiliar? It has definitely happened to me a couple of times.

Humans make mistakes.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something that just flies an aircraft straight and level is still an autopilot, so I don't think it's a totally inaccurate metaphor. Ironically in these situations a more understated name would probably work better for PR. Headline of "Tesla on cruise control rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider" gives a much stronger impression of it being the driver's fault.

You bring up a valid argument but, unfortunately, it cuts both ways. Aircraft manufacturers are liable when their vehicles crash due to malfunction.

If the pilot turns on autopilot and then stops paying attention, and then the plane crashes, it's absolutely not the manufacturer's fault.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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post #33

I always think it's weird how instead of just improving public transit, we've all become fixated on self driving vehicles. Good transit would mean most people don't need to operate a vehicle while having a plethora of other benefits like combating climate change and more efficient land use (if you live in a suburb, take note of the sheer amount land dedicated to parking; it's often more land than the store for retail…

> I always think it's weird how instead of just improving public transit, we've all become fixated on self driving vehicles. To me self driving EV's appear a much more viable way to "solve" public transit everywhere beyond major metros. They'll drastically drop labor costs and are extremely flexible. No major infrastructure changes are needed compared to adding things like rail. No cities need to be redesigned in one…

No major infrastructure changes are needed for buses……
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