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Care to explain your reasoning?
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#33Realistically an Amazon-wide union is the only way Amazon workers are going to get decent wage increases. If the USA is going to allow manufacturers to outsource the majority of well-paid (~$30/hr avg) manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, without having any cross-border capital flow penalities (neoliberal globalism in a nutshell), then the major employers like Amazon and Walmart are going to have to double their w…
Perhaps you should consider that maybe some of those shareholders are your parents whose retirement future depends on those investments?
How much of that money is made by externalising costs to the society?
Limiting cross-borders money flow is a very good way to keep social contract intact.
Re: Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards
#34Realistically an Amazon-wide union is the only way Amazon workers are going to get decent wage increases. If the USA is going to allow manufacturers to outsource the majority of well-paid (~$30/hr avg) manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China, without having any cross-border capital flow penalities (neoliberal globalism in a nutshell), then the major employers like Amazon and Walmart are going to have to double their w…
I may be wrong, but besides and before the wage increases, it seems to me like the priority would be for decent working conditions, if what is published from time to time on media is actually true, the biggest issues are about lack of (normal, decent) pauses or rest periods, continuous summoning for increases in productivity, total control on the workers, etc.
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#35mrits: "You guys love the police union too, right? Right???" The general idea, yeah. It proves how strong a union can be. The implementation? No. A union for people who have monopoly on violence? No. A union that protects people who are actively hurting civilians without recourse? No.
In the UK the police are neither allowed to form a union or strike.
Although that's also a bad answer, since their employer (the government) is also a monopoly with even more power than most businesses.
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OK I'll bite - why?
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Freedom to work for less.
Freedom to be exploited by their employer.
Yes, we get it. You're special. You're not like the rest of those... those... workers. You are capable of deluding yourself that your negotiating power is anywhere near that of any company you may want to be employed by or otherwise do business with. Which, of course is a delusion. Unions give workers, including you, power.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the UK the police are neither allowed to form a union or strike.
How can you ban people from going on strike? The entire point of a strike is that you're not working when you're supposed to be.
You make it illegal to negotiate based on work stoppages, to plan a strike, or otherwise conspire to strike. And you permanently fire those who do. It happened to air traffic controllers in the US.
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#39mrits: "You guys love the police union too, right? Right???" The general idea, yeah. It proves how strong a union can be. The implementation? No. A union for people who have monopoly on violence? No. A union that protects people who are actively hurting civilians without recourse? No.
In the UK the police are neither allowed to form a union or strike.
We just have the masons instead which spans the police, CPS and the entire rest of the legal system.
Been burned big time by that.
Re: Amazon instructs New York workers “don't sign” union cards
#40mrits: "You guys love the police union too, right? Right???" The general idea, yeah. It proves how strong a union can be. The implementation? No. A union for people who have monopoly on violence? No. A union that protects people who are actively hurting civilians without recourse? No.
I think police unions are a bit different for the same reason we don't have a military union.