Oh well, at least Musk has Twitter to fall back on.
Actually it seems like he believes there are too many bots to care about freeze peach
Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
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Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Irrespective of what he said, it won't be 0, Tesla would still be one of the best electric cars available.
That's probably true ! But in itself, just making on of the best electric cars today would justify a valuation of 1/10 of what Tesla currently have. I still admire Musk and Tesla for having started the electric revolution. But by 2025 (and maybe already are), they will just be one of many electric car manufacturers - somewhere in the middle of the pack.
He did not start it. He did a hostile takeover and revised the history of Tesla so he could be a cofounder.
Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, but Google's vision + lidar tech also doesn't seem any better at solving it either. They have been working on this problem the longest and they aren't even confident enough to produce a product with it. Google is probably the leader in AI and AI research. They are also the leader in data and mapping. They have billions of cash to play with. Yet it seem like they haven't gotten any closer at solving this problem…
> doesn't seem any better at solving it I thought they had real self-driving taxis in Pheonix that you can order? Real ones, with no safety driver. That definitely sounds "better", even if it is heavily geo-fenced.
They’ve also got real ones with no safety driver in San Francisco right now.
Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
#34Well, Musk said recently that the value of Tesla is 0 without FSD. Does anybody seriously think Karpathy would step down if FSD was really close to be released ?? It really starts to feel like Tesla is a huge fraud which is about to be uncovered.
If Musk actually said this he's an even bigger idiot than I gave him credit for. He makes the best cars in the world (obviously IMHO) and that's worth a lot more than 0. I couldn't give less of a damn if they can't drive themselves.
Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
#35It's fun to see everybody succumbing to scaling laws. We will only have FSD when we can run realtime inference with a huge model. No amount of creativity seems to overcome the fact that bigger is better. So, let's wait Moore's law do its job.
Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Any reason why everyone seems to be stuck on this problem? ML maximalism focused on the narrow problem of 'solving driving' while not recognizing that any task as complex as driving requires probably something closer to general intelligence, and theoretically the field has been impoverished in favor of "throw more graphics cards at everything".
Couldn't agree more. Especially when it comes to city driving, which would obviously be necessary for robotaxis, when AI zealots promise "it'll be here in a year or two", I always wondered "Have these people ever driven in the city?" I mean, to drive in a city, you basically: 1. Need to understand all standard signage (seems possible with AI). 2. Need to understand all "unstandard" signage (not sure how possible). 3.…
4. Need to understand the cop who is directing people into lanes by jutting his chin subtly in different directions when you make eye contact with him
5. Need to understand that occluded objects have not vanished from the universe never to be seen again
Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
#37Tesla has bet the company on robotaxis, but their vision only tech stack doesn’t seem capable of solving it, which is a problem because Tesla has repeatedly promised FSD is right around the corner, or less than a year away. It’s hard to believe Karpathy would step down if he felt they were close to solving the problem anytime soon. This announcement comes after a 4 month sabbatical where Karpathy said he wanted to ta…
Yeah, but Google's vision + lidar tech also doesn't seem any better at solving it either. They have been working on this problem the longest and they aren't even confident enough to produce a product with it. Google is probably the leader in AI and AI research. They are also the leader in data and mapping. They have billions of cash to play with. Yet it seem like they haven't gotten any closer at solving this problem…
Driving is a social problem, not a technical one. It's functionally the same as walking down a crowded sidewalk. The car is just a tool, just an extension of our bodies.
We can't build a robot which can walk down a sidewalk without running into people either. The sensor tech and mapping fidelity are red herrings. People drive well because only people are good at predicting human behavior.
Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
#38This comes after yesterday's news of Tesla letting 229 people go who were working on Autopilot: https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/12/tesla-laying-off-229-autop... .
That's pretty much a totally different category of employee, though:
"Tesla is laying off 229 data annotation employees who are part of the company’s larger Autopilot team [...] Most of the workers were in moderately low-skilled, low-wage jobs, such as Autopilot data labeling"
Data annotation can be cheaply outsourced or scaled up and down without much affecting progress on self-driving. Karpathy leaving says more about that progress to me.
Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Irrespective of what he said, it won't be 0, Tesla would still be one of the best electric cars available.
For how long though? It seems like traditional automakers have mostly figured out EVs now. I love my Chevy EV, and it's 4 years old now. Similarly, the Kia EV I recently drove was excellent(although the Bolt one pedal driving is better IMHO).
If I have to pick a side in the battle of who can produce the most cheap batteries, an insane Twitter addict or state-controlled industries of South Korea, I'm going with the Koreans.
Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla
#40Oh dear. So who is going to improve on making and shilling the 'Fools Self Driving' (FSD) beta demoware that not only it is 'allegedly' half-working, but is already under ridiculous amounts of scrutiny and investigation by the regulators, especially with deceptive advertising putting drivers on the road at risk? Once again, where are the robot-taxis as promised for release in 2020?
It never made any sense but there was too much money to be made in pretending.