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Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by ranko »

mellavora wrote: post #16
TillE wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It just underlines what should be fairly obvious: that such official meetings are not how things are actually decided in representative democracies. I mean that's even more explicit in a parliamentary system, where members are nearly always expected to vote the party line or face consequences.

> I mean that's even more explicit in a parliamentary system, where members are nearly always expected to vote the party line or face consequences. yes, that is a feature (not a bug) of a parliamentary system. A complementary feature is that parliamentary systems tend to have representational seat distribution. So a party that wins 35% of the vote gets 35% of the seats. And those seats are expected to vote as a block…

> a party that wins 35% of the vote gets 35% of the seats

At the last general election to the UK parliament (2019), the Tories won 44% of the votes, and ended up with 56% of the seats - first past the post strikes again!

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by noduerme »

LegitShady wrote: post #19
hyperman1 wrote: post #15

As someone from the EU, with no money or anuthing coming in from the UK, why would I even care about this? The GDPR has teeth only because the EU is big enough to make companies care. It is a watered down version from some privacy rights compared to the old laws in my country. But the old laws were ignorde by US tech because why wouldn't they. So as the UK left the EU, they are now a small country in the computer wor…

the louder someone tells me in advance they don't care, the more they care about something going on here, and in your case its to talk about the EU and the UK. This was an article about the UK, if you didn't care you didn't need to post here at all, just as people from the US don't need to post to say "I'm from the US, why do I need to care about EU laws?" you don't, but you also don't say anything intelligent about…

Here's something novel, then: I've lived all over the world, but I wouldn't step foot in post-Brexit, xenophobic Britain if you paid me. I'm reading this gleefully thinking of ways to flout whatever implementation is settled upon, while homegrown British companies rot. I am, in fact, rooting for your economy to utterly collapse.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

yrgulation wrote: post #20
hyperman1 wrote: post #15

As someone from the EU, with no money or anuthing coming in from the UK, why would I even care about this? The GDPR has teeth only because the EU is big enough to make companies care. It is a watered down version from some privacy rights compared to the old laws in my country. But the old laws were ignorde by US tech because why wouldn't they. So as the UK left the EU, they are now a small country in the computer wor…

> So as the UK left the EU, they are now a small country in the computer world. Umm yeah no. Perhaps regulation wise but no, the uk is not a “small” country in the “computer world”.

A quick search suggests the UK digital market was nearly $50 billion on 2021.[1]

1. https://www.statista.com/topics/7208/digital-economy-in-the-...

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by theptip »

9dev wrote: post #28
yrgulation wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So as the UK left the EU, they are now a small country in the computer world. Umm yeah no. Perhaps regulation wise but no, the uk is not a “small” country in the “computer world”.

What else would it be? There's about 67 million people living in the UK, compared to the 447 million in the EU - depends on your definition of "small", but our company will likewise ignore any specific UK regulations. The handful of customers there isn't worth any additional overhead compared to the EU+US.

Of the countries in the world, the UK ranks sixth in GDP.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by dane-pgp »

mellavora wrote: post #16
TillE wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It just underlines what should be fairly obvious: that such official meetings are not how things are actually decided in representative democracies. I mean that's even more explicit in a parliamentary system, where members are nearly always expected to vote the party line or face consequences.

> I mean that's even more explicit in a parliamentary system, where members are nearly always expected to vote the party line or face consequences. yes, that is a feature (not a bug) of a parliamentary system. A complementary feature is that parliamentary systems tend to have representational seat distribution. So a party that wins 35% of the vote gets 35% of the seats. And those seats are expected to vote as a block…

> parliamentary systems tend to have representational seat distribution

> the "first past the post" system locks us into 2 parties.

What you say is true, but while we're discussing an article about the UK, it is worth stating, for the avoidance of doubt, that the UK also uses the First Past The Post electoral systems (for its national parliament) and therefore doesn't have a representational seat distribution.

Indeed, that may be part of the reason that such an extreme policy from such an unpopular party is being put forward at all. (The current government won 43.6% of the vote at the last general election, with 67.3% turnout, meaning it had the support of 29.3% of the electorate, but won 56.2% of the seats).

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by ok123456 »

noduerme wrote: post #26
buscoquadnary wrote: post #11

My belief is that the open internet began to pose a threat to those in power, they now seek to divide the internet back up along national boundaries via absurd regulations in order to for the traditional institutions to maintain their power. We are already seeing it with many sites being unwilling to deal with the compliance headache of GDPR and just blocking European users, plus it seems like half the internet is of…

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Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by LegitShady »

noduerme wrote: post #32
LegitShady wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the louder someone tells me in advance they don't care, the more they care about something going on here, and in your case its to talk about the EU and the UK. This was an article about the UK, if you didn't care you didn't need to post here at all, just as people from the US don't need to post to say "I'm from the US, why do I need to care about EU laws?" you don't, but you also don't say anything intelligent about…

Here's something novel, then: I've lived all over the world, but I wouldn't step foot in post-Brexit, xenophobic Britain if you paid me. I'm reading this gleefully thinking of ways to flout whatever implementation is settled upon, while homegrown British companies rot. I am, in fact, rooting for your economy to utterly collapse.

As I said, its not that you don't care, its that you care very very strongly, but wanted to pretend you didn't care, which was why you posted to say 'but I don't live in the UK' as if it was relevant to anyone but you.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by LatteLazy »

com2kid wrote: post #23
dane-pgp wrote: post #3

> What I’ve come to realise since then is it’s not a joke. That’s the intention. Make it too prohibitive, risky, or impossible for public discourse to flow on smaller platforms and services; require the larger ones to become speech police and societal monitors This is, I believe, also the intention behind the calls to repeal Section 230. It takes politics back to the simpler age where there were just a few entities d…

> ended up making social media accounts require annual payments So, an end to social media companies that are actively hostile to their users? No more psychologically deceptive tactics to force engagement at any cost? No more ad tracking? An end to foreign spam accounts? Looks like quarterly ARPU is about $12 per US user per month. So a $5 a month subscription would destroy their business model. However go back 6 yea…

Those things won't change, the charge will just be on top.

And if they judge you broke a rule that will be an extra $50. But you can appeal for $200?

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

_fat_santa wrote: post #29

If this applies to every site that hosts user generated content then that's nuts. When the internet first started, part of the appeal is that you could just make stuff without people looking over your shoulder, asking for forms, etc. Seems that the internet we created today is technically the same as the one from before, but now with governments throwing up red tape at every corner. Makes me wonder what a site like H…

right now or say 10 years ago til now, before the whole encrypted chats came into the picture, how many people have been convicted of CSAM in the UK, USA or somewhere else? is it in thousands? millions? if people were not getting convicted left and right before encryption, why is suddenly encryption the #1 enemy?

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Post by tomjen3 »

yrgulation wrote: post #20
hyperman1 wrote: post #15

As someone from the EU, with no money or anuthing coming in from the UK, why would I even care about this? The GDPR has teeth only because the EU is big enough to make companies care. It is a watered down version from some privacy rights compared to the old laws in my country. But the old laws were ignorde by US tech because why wouldn't they. So as the UK left the EU, they are now a small country in the computer wor…

> So as the UK left the EU, they are now a small country in the computer world. Umm yeah no. Perhaps regulation wise but no, the uk is not a “small” country in the “computer world”.

It has fewer people than Germany, and only low double digits compared to the EU.

With this legalization I would IP ban the UK, then grow the service and look into opening up for the UK when my service was big and the lawyers didn't matter.

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