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Re: Transport System Bögl: a new magnetic rail system

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Post by bluGill »

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #16
uniqueuid wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Magnetically levitated, meaning up to 500 km/h (~300 mph), silent, and it's driverless. Downsides are that you need to build completely new tracks with limited curvature (and new stations).

> meaning up to 500 km/h (~300 mph) from the website: Cruising speed of up to 150 km/h I'm guessing that the value proposition of this particular system is that it's cut certain performance corners to achieve a far lower cost while still providing more than adequate speed for the intracity use case.

Sure, but wheels work just fine at those speeds. the advantages of maglev over steel wheels need much faster speeds before they are realized. At least for all current maglev systems, this is still vaporware, ask me after it has been in use for 20 years and we have real world data on how it works out. Don't be the person who pays for getting that real world data though.

Re: Transport System Bögl: a new magnetic rail system

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Post by tgv »

danw1979 wrote: post #21
Shadonototra wrote: post #2

Nice, but it looks ugly AF, it feels very "industrial" I can't imagine this in the middle of EU architecture Or in the middle of Asian temples, or in the middle of a beautiful landscape They really need better designers Also the front doesn't look like aerodynamic

I mean, it looks a lot like the DLR in London which is a bit of a raised concrete eyesore too. But it’s not what you’d choose to plonk down in Vienna or Bruges, I agree.

Did you ever see the Brugge train station? Anything looks better.

Re: Transport System Bögl: a new magnetic rail system

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Post by jeffbee »

iggldiggl wrote: post #17
gbanfalvi wrote: post #5

How is this better than a regular train/subway/tram?

Cynically speaking – it's based on a track made from pre-cast concrete elements, which Max Bögl (a construction company and concrete manufacturer at heart) will happily build for you. It's also marketed as a fully turn-key system where everything starting from the design and finishing with the vehicles and operations control will be provided by Bögl, which conversely also means that it's a fully proprietary system an…

Aren't most elevated guideways built from sections pre-cast and moved into place? How is that a specific advantage of this thing?

Re: Transport System Bögl: a new magnetic rail system

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Post by usr1106 »

abrudz wrote: post #14

Why do they have a re-painted Transrapid 07 on their grounds?[1] Trnasrapid seems like a much more mature and capable design than their own. E.g. While Transrapid uses a T-shaped track, Bögl uses a U-shaped track. That's not going to work well with snow or falling leaves, not to mention people on platforms discarding items into the tracks… [1] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Transport+System+B%C3%B6gl...

They bought it for 1 Euro from Deutsche Bahn.

Deutsche Bahn have given up the idea that it's something you could advertise for a brighter future with so they must have been happy to get rid of it without getting bad press for destroying industrial heritage.

Max Bögl participated in the construction of the Shanghai line. So I guess they thought it would be nice exhibit of being a global player.

Re: Transport System Bögl: a new magnetic rail system

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

bluGill wrote: post #26
ucosty wrote: post #22

Another day, another gadgetbahn. It's hard to tell from their website exactly what problems they're trying to solve. They seem to have taken all of the worst aspects of monorail style operations, the relative complexity of maglev, and the vendor lock-in of a gadgetbahn and have just run with it. Off the top of my head: From their rolling (gliding?) stock concepts it looks like they're targeting the automated metro sy…

Maglev has some advantages for high speed operation: less rolling resistance at speed (but worse in slow sections - while not rolling resistance, at low speed they are not as efficient), and less track maintenance. Problem is until you get to high speed those advantages are not worth it, and when you do air resistance is very expensive and so you need a lot more riders or a high ticket price. In the end maglev isn't…

Does anyone know how the new slower maglev in Changsha is working out (between the HSR station and airport)? I’m not sure why they went with maglev there, hopefully it just wasn’t just a prestige project and there was a real benefit to it.

The maglev Japan is building between Tokyo and Nagoya (and eventually Osaka) should be productive, but that is more of a traditional high speed one and will have enough traffic to support it.

Re: Transport System Bögl: a new magnetic rail system

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Post by mschuster91 »

usr1106 wrote: post #27
PinguTS wrote: post #18

We should not forget the backstory of this company. Max Bögel is the largest family-owned construction company in Germany. They build mainly infrastructure like roads, but where also involved in the Gigafactory in Grünheide in Germany. So, for them its a new business unit to build more infrastructure as a whole contractor. They can delivery everything, not like it is today in infrastructure projects where you have ma…

Interesting, lived in Germany for 30 years (although decades ago), but had never heard about them. Just wanted to say if the Transrapid consortium with the biggest German industry players and decades of public investment backing could not make it, I would not try again. This is not the SW business where any can start with some resources rented in the cloud. Of course sometimes it's just too early to be right, but wou…

Edmund Stoiber's infamous 10 minute speech killed the Transrapid in Munich. One of the OG German memes.

Re: Transport System Bögl: a new magnetic rail system

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Post by schroeding »

mschuster91 wrote: post #37
usr1106 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, lived in Germany for 30 years (although decades ago), but had never heard about them. Just wanted to say if the Transrapid consortium with the biggest German industry players and decades of public investment backing could not make it, I would not try again. This is not the SW business where any can start with some resources rented in the cloud. Of course sometimes it's just too early to be right, but wou…

Edmund Stoiber's infamous 10 minute speech killed the Transrapid in Munich. One of the OG German memes.

For the uninitiated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7TboWvVERU

Context:

The old munich airport in Riem was closed in the 90s. The new airport was very far away. Gadgetbahn Transrapid, running through tunnels and above the remains of the old olympia train line from '72, should save the day. MP Stoiber tries to explain the advantages.

Translation:

If you start from the main station in Munich with 10 minutes, without having to check in at the airport yet, then you basically start at the airport, at the main station in Munich you start your flight. 10 minutes. Take a look at the major airports. If you go to Heathrow in London or anywhere else, Charles de Gaulle in France or in Rome, if you look at the distances, if you look at Frankfurt, you will find that 10 minutes is all you need to find your gate in Frankfurt. If you start from the main station, you get into the main station[1], you take the Transrapid to Franz Josef Strauss[2] Airport in 10 minutes, then you practically start here, at the main station in Munich. Of course, this means that the main station basically grows closer to Bavaria, to the Bavarian cities, because that is obvious, because many lines from Bavaria converge at the main station.

[1] "get into" like you would get into a bus, like if the station actually transports you to your destination [2] Bavarian MP and German Minister in the 60s/70s/80s, Munich Airport is named after him

Re: Transport System Bögl: a new magnetic rail system

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Post by 0_____0 »

ucosty wrote: post #22

Another day, another gadgetbahn. It's hard to tell from their website exactly what problems they're trying to solve. They seem to have taken all of the worst aspects of monorail style operations, the relative complexity of maglev, and the vendor lock-in of a gadgetbahn and have just run with it. Off the top of my head: From their rolling (gliding?) stock concepts it looks like they're targeting the automated metro sy…

gesticulates wildly in the direction of Paris Line 14

In the US, we're so far behind that we can just plain copy just about any modern train system. It's not the tech that's the issue, it's the land use, policy, and planning.

Re: Transport System Bögl: a new magnetic rail system

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Post by schroeding »

Shadonototra wrote: post #2

Nice, but it looks ugly AF, it feels very "industrial" I can't imagine this in the middle of EU architecture Or in the middle of Asian temples, or in the middle of a beautiful landscape They really need better designers Also the front doesn't look like aerodynamic

I think it looks quite fitting between boxy European[1] or Asian[2] rail cars. :D

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1019_4-Gleisdreieck-... [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Model_1000_of_Odakyu...

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