Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft • Hacker News Board

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by noobermin » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:20 AM UTC

grepfru_it wrote: post #9

rvz wrote: post #2

Looks like a tactical 'Embrace'. On top of that, surveillance capitalism is winning over the free software / open source developers as companies like Microsoft are buying out / hiring the majority of them. The free-software activists from the FSF and other free-software supporters have lost to the tech bros at these big tech companies that have hijacked 'open-source' and ran with it. They have failed in their mission…

They pay you $500k/yr and up. Your open source project pays $50 on a good month. You have a house to maintain and family to feed. Why would you turn down such an offer? One thing I will caution those who do take the offer, the company will use you until you are no longer necessary and then throw you out (extinguish)

I know the GP is talking about generally but Poeterring was working at Redhat, he wasn't a lone open source developer fighting in the wilderness.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by oynqr » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:37 AM UTC

Hey, he'll feel right at home with Powershell and the absurdly long verbs it uses.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:46 AM UTC

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #22

hcrean wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are in FOSS for the money, you are not in FOSS. Humanity could be sat around eating fruit and making art, instead we have mortgages and credit scores, because the venal systems corrupt and extortionate the progressive ones.

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Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by em-bee » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:47 AM UTC

i am not surprised that he made this move quietly.

poettering's work attracted a disproportionate share of criticism, and moving to microsoft is not exactly a helpful move to quell that criticism. on the contrary, it will only get worse.

since he continues to work on systemd, critics will now start to decry systemd as being a microsoft product, or at least strongly influenced by microsoft. so this move is likely to strengthen the anti systemd camp. we'll see what comes from that.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by pjmlp » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:49 AM UTC

rvz wrote: post #2

Looks like a tactical 'Embrace'. On top of that, surveillance capitalism is winning over the free software / open source developers as companies like Microsoft are buying out / hiring the majority of them. The free-software activists from the FSF and other free-software supporters have lost to the tech bros at these big tech companies that have hijacked 'open-source' and ran with it. They have failed in their mission…

It is like the Wall Street getting ex-hippies during the early 80's.

Eventually food on the table is needed and there is a family to feed and mortgage to pay, and working for the man isn't that bad as one once thought.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by em-bee » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:50 AM UTC

jeshin wrote: post #11

Agent Poettering, welcome back. You've done tremendous work for us. *I actually don't care strongly about systemd one way or the other but couldn't resist the joke

double agent poettering. you are to remain quiet in your new position until you receive the call to activate.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by hulitu » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:50 AM UTC

EdwardDiego wrote: post #29

claudiojulio wrote: post #4

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Probably Red Hat, where he spent 15 years writing shit millions of people use for free. Christ almighty.

Politicians also ruin countries for a lot of time before returning to mothership (lobby companies).

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by pjmlp » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 5:52 AM UTC

caramelcustard wrote: post #16

rvz wrote: post #2

Looks like a tactical 'Embrace'. On top of that, surveillance capitalism is winning over the free software / open source developers as companies like Microsoft are buying out / hiring the majority of them. The free-software activists from the FSF and other free-software supporters have lost to the tech bros at these big tech companies that have hijacked 'open-source' and ran with it. They have failed in their mission…

"Surveillance capitalism is winning over the free software..." software that "just works" and offers the latest and the greatest features does, not "surveillance capitalism" or "open source developers". "They have failed in their mission to stop all this closed-source software from spreading." except that was never the mission, the mission was to provide an alternative to complex licensing as well as simplify the imp…

On that front, thanks to anti-GPL folks, we are back into Shareware and Public Domain, although under different names.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by ornornor » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 6:28 AM UTC

boxmonster wrote: post #28

The snobby attitude about Microsoft on HN makes no sense to me

They’ve worked very very hard in the past to extinguish and annihilate a lot of the values HN stands for. Either you’re too young or didn’t follow tech back then but MS and Gates truly did evil moves to try and kill any and all competition, especially Linux and open source. Many of us remember.

Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft

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Post by caramelcustard » Thu, Jul 07, 2022, 6:35 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #38

caramelcustard wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Surveillance capitalism is winning over the free software..." software that "just works" and offers the latest and the greatest features does, not "surveillance capitalism" or "open source developers". "They have failed in their mission to stop all this closed-source software from spreading." except that was never the mission, the mission was to provide an alternative to complex licensing as well as simplify the imp…

On that front, thanks to anti-GPL folks, we are back into Shareware and Public Domain, although under different names.

I don't think that it's solely the fault of anti-GPL people. GPL proclaims freedom but then demands you to limit your freedom when it comes to anything of your own that just happens to include GPL licensed elements. At that point, proprietary solutions whose providers couldn't care less as long as you pay your fee don't seem that bad in comparison to, say, a competitor who's going to exploit the GPL freedoms to gain an advantage. I mean, considering that the topic is about Microsoft (in a way), don't forget about the existence of the "Source available" license, though IMO the best license is always going to be the one that fits the product rather than ideology (and GPL puts the product in the background).