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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by nojito »

carlycue wrote: post #29

Music to my ears. Apple is a junkie that's addicted to the App Store & services revenue. By opening up their walled garden, it forces them to be more proactive to regain some of that lost revenue. I guarantee the car, the AR/VR and their other underdeveloped products would've progressed so much faster if Apple depended on new product categories to grow their revenue. Right now, they're feeling too cozy.

Imagine thinking that punishing success is the way to go.

Europe loves propping up failing companies and industries. Not very surprising that they would go after a company with barely a 30% share of the market.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by mikhailt »

In case someone here knows but how is it even possible that EU can fine companies based on the whole world "turnover" (which I might incorrectly presume meaning profits) when their power is restricted to the EU space.

Re: this:

> The DMA says that gatekeepers who ignore the rules will face fines of up to 10 percent of the company's total worldwide annual turnover, or 20 percent in the event of repeated infringements, as well as periodic penalties of up to 5 percent of the company's total worldwide annual turnover.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by tchocky »

kmlx wrote: post #22
tchocky wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's good news! No more forced crappy webkit browser engine in iOS. The other things can be added in a secure fashion as well. Sideloading doesn't need to be wild west. macOS also makes it possible with certificates etc. Messanger interop is also nice, when done right: basically would need a shared standard like the web that is done by a messaging consortium like the W3.

> No more forced crappy webkit browser engine in iOS. you know this just means more chrome right? > Messanger interop is also nice, when done right: basically would need a shared standard like the web that is done by a messaging consortium like the W3. we went thru this before. didn’t work then, won’t work now.

I know this means more Chrome. I'm a heavy Chrome user because of the dev tools that are great. At least chrome has good support for web standards compared to Safari.

Why can't it work again? I mean the W3 works, doesn't need to support all the features. Messages and attachments would be enough.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by kmlx »

nojito wrote: post #31
carlycue wrote: post #29

Music to my ears. Apple is a junkie that's addicted to the App Store & services revenue. By opening up their walled garden, it forces them to be more proactive to regain some of that lost revenue. I guarantee the car, the AR/VR and their other underdeveloped products would've progressed so much faster if Apple depended on new product categories to grow their revenue. Right now, they're feeling too cozy.

Imagine thinking that punishing success is the way to go. Europe loves propping up failing companies and industries. Not very surprising that they would go after a company with barely a 30% share of the market.

protectionism is not new, but it’s definitely in the eu’s dna. there are huge lobby groups that constantly want more protection in europe. and they almost always get what they want.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by tchocky »

kmlx wrote: post #27
dijit wrote: post #18

I'm personally very happy with Safari slowing down the over-arching progress of "Web browsers are an application distribution platform", but I definitely see the value in this. I am very excited about the prospect of having federation between communication platforms... imagine sending messages from iMessage to whatsapp?! great, just like in the mid-00's!

> great, just like in the mid-00's! funnily enough i was working on apps that did this back in the mid 00s. it was horrible. the standards simply couldn’t keep up. the clients couldn’t keep up. in the end it was better for the end user not use those standards and instead we rolled our own. could be different story today but i don’t think so. just the video call feature would be an absolute mess to standardise. hell,…

Emojis are just Unicode characters, why would it be so hard?

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by kmlx »

hef19898 wrote: post #26
kmlx wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

depends on the company really. some might think a bit more about offering their products to eu countries considering (some of) these rules. which imo are quite serious, and some even ridiculous.

Considering how far backwards companies bend over to make business in China and some Arabic countries I don't expect a single company with some profitable business in the EU to leave that market.

for sure. but a newly established company with strong revenues in a part of the world where there are no rules? difficult to answer.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

sph wrote: post #6

Happy that I might be able to install something else than Safari. I want the Gecko engine on iOS. Sad that being in UK probably means we'll ignore it because "Brexit." I got a text the other day telling me that, since we've left the EU, roaming charges are back. Hurray! Without making this about politics, this is a great step forward. Still unsure how Apple & co. will make their proprietary video and messaging platfo…

> "will make their proprietary video and messaging platforms "interoperable"

Because it's Europe, and also FaceTime and such aren't anywhere near as popular over there, it is possible that Apple will just pull them from the market there. You can't be forced to provide interoperability with a service you aren't operating.

Whatever the result, this does mean iOS 16 is going to have many "features" that Apple didn't announce...

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by hef19898 »

kmlx wrote: post #36
hef19898 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering how far backwards companies bend over to make business in China and some Arabic countries I don't expect a single company with some profitable business in the EU to leave that market.

for sure. but a newly established company with strong revenues in a part of the world where there are no rules? difficult to answer.

So what? Nobody is obliged to serve any market, or a markets obliges to open for individual companies. If company A won't, companies B and C propably will.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

anonymousab wrote: post #16
guerrilla wrote: post #10

Oh wow, that's quite a list. I wonder if any of it will end up having retroactive effects because > Ensure that all apps are uninstallable. I REALLY want to remove some of this junk Samsung forced on my phone (while omitting screen record on this model.)

I suspect the compliance will be as minimal as possible, e.g. uninstalling included junk will only flip some settings bit that hides some of the user facing activity. Just enough to make a glib "look, we obeyed the law" statement as they will assume nobody will actually take them to court over it. Perhaps I am too pessimistic.

That's actually about how it is going to work. Apps on both iOS and Android are in the read-only system partition. Even when you disable an app on Android, the read-only system partition version remains and the latest version installed in the rewritable user folder gets deleted. It is absolutely just going to be a visual switch.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Post by tchocky »

amelius wrote: post #13

It will be interesting to see what dark patterns Apple will come up with to resist this. I imagine every time you open Firefox you will get a popup window saying "Do you want to use Safari instead?"

Using different browsers and setting them as default is already possible in iOS. They are just forced to use WebKit as the rendering engine instead of Blink or Gecko.
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