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Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by grepfru_it »

GuB-42 wrote: post #25
TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #20

I wonder how future generations will judge us. These last years have showed how weak little sheep we all are. The US has spent more in the last 2 years than our entire countries history, we are racked with debt and stuck in 30 different wars. & yet we are still discussing covid and abortion. We stopped working for TWO YEARS, made things that were proven to be false from the start, the norm and have somehow seem to ha…

Going straight to the Godwin point, I see... Nothing about covid was known from the start besides the structure of the virus. And while we made progress, there is still a lot we don't know, and we expect the unexpected. Even if based on current research, you are right on some point (speaking generally), saying "I knew it, it was obvious all along" only shows that you don't understand science. You didn't, you took a g…

You know what was known? A shortage of N95 masks and zero attempt (at least publicly) to increase production. But we have a surplus of ventilators now!

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by aakresearch »

swayvil wrote: post #4

Wearing a mask lets everybody know that we are still in the midst of a very dangerous pandemic. It shows me that you take it seriously. It shows me who takes responsibility for the well-being of their fellow citizens and who doesn't. So even if it serves no practical purpose, it still serves a very important ritualistic purpose.

You almost got me, friend, with these platitudes. Almost. First class right here!

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

GuB-42 wrote: post #25
TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #20

I wonder how future generations will judge us. These last years have showed how weak little sheep we all are. The US has spent more in the last 2 years than our entire countries history, we are racked with debt and stuck in 30 different wars. & yet we are still discussing covid and abortion. We stopped working for TWO YEARS, made things that were proven to be false from the start, the norm and have somehow seem to ha…

Going straight to the Godwin point, I see... Nothing about covid was known from the start besides the structure of the virus. And while we made progress, there is still a lot we don't know, and we expect the unexpected. Even if based on current research, you are right on some point (speaking generally), saying "I knew it, it was obvious all along" only shows that you don't understand science. You didn't, you took a g…

There were tons of studies on mask efficacy showing that it had a very minor benefit at best.

We knew in the first few months who this disease targeted..i.e. the elderly and unhealthy.

Yet we still went super Saiyan on crushing the country and world for years.

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

bsder wrote: post #21
TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #20

I wonder how future generations will judge us. These last years have showed how weak little sheep we all are. The US has spent more in the last 2 years than our entire countries history, we are racked with debt and stuck in 30 different wars. & yet we are still discussing covid and abortion. We stopped working for TWO YEARS, made things that were proven to be false from the start, the norm and have somehow seem to ha…

Except that mask mandates aren't worthless. We have relatively controlled studies in other countries demonstrating where one area got masks and another area didn't that there was a fairly clear difference in transmission rate. What are useless are mask mandates when you have a large cohort that simply won't comply or will anti -comply. Which is what we had in the US--both from political intransigence (Covid is a hoax…

>protecting your fellow man

I've been homeless before multiple times. Fellow man does not look out for me.

That's the beauty of FREEDOM. I dont have to protect my fellow man because fellow man is mostly shitty.

My body my choice is my favorite slogan ever.

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by GeekyBear »

GuB-42 wrote: post #25
TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #20

I wonder how future generations will judge us. These last years have showed how weak little sheep we all are. The US has spent more in the last 2 years than our entire countries history, we are racked with debt and stuck in 30 different wars. & yet we are still discussing covid and abortion. We stopped working for TWO YEARS, made things that were proven to be false from the start, the norm and have somehow seem to ha…

Going straight to the Godwin point, I see... Nothing about covid was known from the start besides the structure of the virus. And while we made progress, there is still a lot we don't know, and we expect the unexpected. Even if based on current research, you are right on some point (speaking generally), saying "I knew it, it was obvious all along" only shows that you don't understand science. You didn't, you took a g…

> Nothing about covid was known from the start besides the structure of the virus.

We had evidence of airborne spread very soon after the virus broke out of China. Passengers of the cruise ship Diamond Princess were quarantined in their cabins and the virus continued to spread from cabin to cabin.

Cloth face masks are effective when a virus has a droplet based spread, like the flu. They are not effective when a virus is airborne.

Look at how flu cases hit record lows globally, while Covid continued to spread like wildfire.

>CDC says seasonal flu cases hit record lows around the world

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/cold-and-flu/cdc-says-seasona...

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by wrp »

josephcsible wrote: post #28
wrp wrote: post #27

It will help to keep this kind of news in perspective if you remember that mask mandate studies are very blunt instruments. You identify (preferably large) communities experiencing an outbreak, some with and some without mask mandates, then compare contagion rates. We have over a century of this kind research and the results are very consistent that mask mandates make no overall difference. However, more focused rese…

If mask mandates make no overall difference, but help in some cases, doesn't that imply that they must cause harm in some other cases?

The broad answer is no, first of all because the narrow situations where masks are believed to help would not amount to a significant difference when considering the effect on an entire community. Secondly, I said "believed" because the evidence is actually rather limited and ambiguous, so the promotion of masks is based more on plausibility rather than firm proof. However, there does appear to be slight but consistent evidence for greater contagion rates in the general community when there is a mask mandate.

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by DIARRHEA_xd »

swayvil wrote: post #4

Wearing a mask lets everybody know that we are still in the midst of a very dangerous pandemic. It shows me that you take it seriously. It shows me who takes responsibility for the well-being of their fellow citizens and who doesn't. So even if it serves no practical purpose, it still serves a very important ritualistic purpose.

perfect bait, well done.

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by TrapLord_Rhodo »

grepfru_it wrote: post #31
GuB-42 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going straight to the Godwin point, I see... Nothing about covid was known from the start besides the structure of the virus. And while we made progress, there is still a lot we don't know, and we expect the unexpected. Even if based on current research, you are right on some point (speaking generally), saying "I knew it, it was obvious all along" only shows that you don't understand science. You didn't, you took a g…

You know what was known? A shortage of N95 masks and zero attempt (at least publicly) to increase production. But we have a surplus of ventilators now!

You can go a down a dark rabbit-hole with this one. We did spend alot of money to increase production. Gavin gavee some chinese electric company $1B, $500m upfront to...shift mask production away from China? Not only did he go against every acquisition regulation written but the company went under and didn't supply any masks.

-Ex Contracting Specialist for Gov

Re: Do mask mandates work? Bay Area Covid data from June says no

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Post by TrapLord_Rhodo »

GuB-42 wrote: post #25
TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #20

I wonder how future generations will judge us. These last years have showed how weak little sheep we all are. The US has spent more in the last 2 years than our entire countries history, we are racked with debt and stuck in 30 different wars. & yet we are still discussing covid and abortion. We stopped working for TWO YEARS, made things that were proven to be false from the start, the norm and have somehow seem to ha…

Going straight to the Godwin point, I see... Nothing about covid was known from the start besides the structure of the virus. And while we made progress, there is still a lot we don't know, and we expect the unexpected. Even if based on current research, you are right on some point (speaking generally), saying "I knew it, it was obvious all along" only shows that you don't understand science. You didn't, you took a g…

In a highly globalized economy, containment is impossible, & 'slowing the curve' is folly.

>if anything, at least in the beginning, dictatorships did better.

Based on what info? the data the dictator publishes?

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