I interviewed a lot this year; the amount is probably between 50-75, with at least 15 take homes (all 100% remote jobs). The great majority of those came from LinkedIn recruiters, and that all sucked, I got three offers which I declined because they weren't great. In the end, what got me a new job was my blog and the branding I have on Twitter. At some point my posts where getting traction, and companies started reaching out to me. It got me a job without even interviewing. If it wasn't for that, I would probably still be interviewing with recruiters on LinkedIn.
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#32I work for a large State agency, the last type of employer I ever thought would be flexible, and for all staff — support/secretarial, managerial, and attorneys — we are on a permanent (optional) hybrid model. Non-attorney staff can opt for a minimum of 1 day/week WFH, with the highest “ranking” able to do 3 days/week WFH. Some attorneys have worked out more WFH days but most of us are in the office 5 days a week now that we can be.
Not that it relates directly to tech jobs, but now that a work-from-home model has proven to be functional it seems like it should become more and more prevalent across the board.
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#33I work for a large State agency, the last type of employer I ever thought would be flexible, and for all staff — support/secretarial, managerial, and attorneys — we are on a permanent (optional) hybrid model. Non-attorney staff can opt for a minimum of 1 day/week WFH, with the highest “ranking” able to do 3 days/week WFH. Some attorneys have worked out more WFH days but most of us are in the office 5 days a week now…
I am curious what the price premium distributions will be for in office vs remote work.
Driving 1 minute in the US costs at least $0.60 in nominal dollars, and including non monetary costs/benefits, I can imagine it being quite a difference, more noticeable for lower paying jobs.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't take it personally. You should expect a large number of companies to ghost you. It's just part of the process. Keep going and believe in yourself.
It really shouldn't be. It doesn't take long or much effort to send a quick boilerplate email saying they're not hiring you.
Yes, this has been going on since at least the early 2000s. It's really a dumb thing to do for the hiring company, particularly if there is more than a few days of contact. The person they want to hire just assumes they are being ghosted and immediately starts looking for additional opportunities, which equates to more competition for the hiring company.
Had the original company stayed in contact, or it was common practice to stay in contact wether it's a hire or no hire, the hiring companies wouldn't have to deal with the extra competition created by no contact.
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#35I interviewed with 3 companies all remote positions and have been ghosted by all 3 of them.
Don't take it personally. You should expect a large number of companies to ghost you. It's just part of the process. Keep going and believe in yourself.
It's just ridiculous though. It's a shitty trend that's filtered down from social/dating applications. A decade ago, I always got a follow-up rejection email. Sometimes it took months from bigger companies but it still came. Today: more often than not you're just ghosted.
Milliennials now being in positions of power are 100% to blame for this. They see no difference between the conversation with a job candidate and that of the girl you fucked last week.
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#36Anectdotally, I get more fully-remote offers from recruiters. They used to be rare exceptions, most contacts would basically end with me saying "I'm not moving to London/Amsterdam"; some would try to fake it ("yeah we said remote ok, but actually that's just a day or two a week..."). Now most will say "fully remote" upfront and stress it throughout.
I reckon the UK sector in particular has finally locked on the realization that they can save boatloads of money by hiring outside London/Thames Valley, and the sky will not fall if IT folks are not lined up in big City offices like chickens in pens. Covid was a big game-changer.
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#37For some hard data, in San Francisco and NYC, the mass transit agencies are starting to plan for never getting back to full ridership again. And by plan, I mean starting to ask for federal funding to keep the systems alive (which I think they should) because the fare revenue is never going to return to pre-pandemic levels but the physical plant remains just as expensive to operate.
Keep in mind: these are two of the densest cities in the U.S., where people typically have less space for a home office and commutes are shorter vs an exurb type city. WFH is here to stay in my view, especially for employers in competitive recruiting spaces.
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#38My experience as an engineer with ~10 years of experience (4 of which working remotely):
I've seen no data that'd indicate a meaningful shift yet. I've also seen no shifts from recruiters reaching out to me about in-person roles. All recruiters reaching out highlight that the positions they're looking to fill are fully remote. (I receive anywhere from two to ten outreach messages per day)
That said, my experience doesn't mean that there isn't or won't be a shift, but I haven't found or observed any evidence yet. I believe there is still an abundance of work for engineers wanting to work remotely right now. The remote opportunities are far, far better than any time previous to 2020.
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#39This doesn't quite answer your trend, but personal anecdote: I recently switched jobs, and as part of my job interview process, I was pretty firm about only looking for companies that were working at least part of the week in the office. I just really thrive on in-person work. Fast forward a few weeks... and I ended up taking a job with a startup that was fully remote. I loved their product, loved the founders, loved…
I'm happy for you!
Out of curiosity, did your current housing situation provide the space for a comfortable and productive home office, or is this unexpected development putting pressure on your housing situation? (If you're part of a trend, that has implications for preferred housing layout and square footage. And, of course people in different housing situations should be expected to respond differently to fully-remote opportunities..)
(FWIW I'm single in a 600 sq ft apartment. I'm also a manager. My workspace needs for desk layout, equipment, and quiet are minimal compared to individual contributors, but I sometimes think of the perceived status implications when my humble abode appears on video, though I've reflected and don't really care..)
Edit to add regarding status implications: believe it or not, a candidate I was interviewing actually blurted out "You're a manager in tech! How come you don't have a nicer house?". That got into my head briefly, until I decided that I don't care.
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#40If your in cybersecurity, specifically some form of security engineering, it went and stayed remote after 2020. Thank you SOLARWINDS I guess. Caveat is this most applies to engineers in Sec, as knows how to cloud and code.