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Re: The most livable cities

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Post by einpoklum » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:54 AM UTC

bergenty wrote: post #14

sascha_sl wrote: post #10

The fact that there isn't a single dutch city in the top 10, but 3 in car-infested Canada tells me that I have very different standards for "livable".

I love “car-infested”. Taking public transport and living densely is my version of hell.

1. Use a bicycle; public transport is the (popular) backup.

2. Living in a city means living densely (for some definition of dense). If you don't like that, you should probably not live in a city in the first place.

3. Dutch cities are not really that dense in my experience.

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by blowski » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:54 AM UTC

With its colourful graphs and precise numbers, this all sounds very scientific. In reality, I'm guessing a group of people listed where they think is lovely to live and that's what we're now discussing.

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by altvali » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:54 AM UTC

postsantum wrote: post #7

I'm glad Tashkent is finally in Eastern Europe

Yes, but of all the cities in Eastern Europe, it's the least livable. Even Baku is better.

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by mantas » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:55 AM UTC

masonic wrote: post #19

thriftwy wrote: post #3

There should be some in-built bias, such as adding points for just being in the Northern America. Otherwise it's hard to explain how all of the diverse cities of the USA end up being clumped in one place of the scale. That, or not having sufficient dynamic range.

> adding points for just being in the Northern America To the contrary, I find it odd that there isn't a single upper-tier livable city in the western 2/3rds of the US but every city in the eastern 95% of Australia is top tier. Hell, my neighbors immigrated from Australia.

Different people have different definition of livable. Even same person has different definitions in different stages of life.

And frequently people move for bigger money or career opportunities over livability.

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by blfr » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:55 AM UTC

exitb wrote: post #23

> Other cities affected by the contagion of war, such as Budapest and Warsaw, saw their stability scores slip as geopolitical tensions increased. Meanwhile, kids in American schools are getting shot at, but yeah, Warsaw is definitely less livable than any large US city.

Mass shootings are rare but yeah, the only way you could tell that Warsaw is anywhere near a war is because of a large number of Ukrainians and all lower cost rentals gone from the market.

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by yread » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:56 AM UTC

sascha_sl wrote: post #10

The fact that there isn't a single dutch city in the top 10, but 3 in car-infested Canada tells me that I have very different standards for "livable".

Hey don't let the secret out. Do you want all those people who read the economist and believe their lists to come over here and ruin the housing market even more?!

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by postsantum » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:57 AM UTC

altvali wrote: post #33

postsantum wrote: post #7

I'm glad Tashkent is finally in Eastern Europe

Yes, but of all the cities in Eastern Europe, it's the least livable. Even Baku is better.

How about Kabul? It's not that far away

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by chrischen » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:57 AM UTC

blfr wrote: post #35

exitb wrote: post #23

> Other cities affected by the contagion of war, such as Budapest and Warsaw, saw their stability scores slip as geopolitical tensions increased. Meanwhile, kids in American schools are getting shot at, but yeah, Warsaw is definitely less livable than any large US city.

Mass shootings are rare but yeah, the only way you could tell that Warsaw is anywhere near a war is because of a large number of Ukrainians and all lower cost rentals gone from the market.

To be fair livable probably means the nice parts of the American city. Most American city have nice parts and bad parts, where life in the bad parts can sometimes be as bad as living in a third world. Take Chiraq for example, or even Detroit. Schools have metal detectors to prevent weapons from being brought in, even if there isn’t a risk of mass shooting.

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by bergenty » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:57 AM UTC

LeonidasXIV wrote: post #28

bergenty wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love “car-infested”. Taking public transport and living densely is my version of hell.

Cars make cities worse for everyone, whereas public transport makes cities better for everyone, even people using cars because there is less traffic. I enjoy biking, public transport and the density to support a nice shopping/bar/party street within walking distance, but what do I know, living in the second most livable city.

I enjoy biking and hiking in the woods (not city streets), driving cars and living 20 minutes away from a major city so I can go to shops/bars/parties when I feel like it.

I also like gardening and farming, wood and metal working and generally doing all kinds of projects involving metal casting, glass blowing, pottery making etc. I would never be able to do comfortably living in a city.

The only downside to car culture is environmental concerns that I really hope electric cars fix.

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by jakkos » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 8:57 AM UTC

bergenty wrote: post #14

sascha_sl wrote: post #10

The fact that there isn't a single dutch city in the top 10, but 3 in car-infested Canada tells me that I have very different standards for "livable".

I love “car-infested”. Taking public transport and living densely is my version of hell.

Can I ask why?

I'm genuinely curious, as I feel the opposite