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Re: V Language Review

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

prirun wrote: post #30
mawfig wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for linking Xe's blog here! It's a few years old and I've seen a lot of comments on HN that suggest V has improved significantly since 2019 so I thought it might be worth looking into for myself and writing down a review of what I found.

I'm always interested in new languages and loved your write-up & evaluation of V. I really don't get the purpose of someone exaggerating the capabilities of their language, to the point of outright lies.

I think people think that's "marketing".

Re: V Language Review

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Post by mindwok »

pwdisswordfish9 wrote: post #6

At this point, why do people even spend time on debunking the marketing claims of this language at all? It's been done to death, whoever was going to be convinced the V developer is a charlatan has already been convinced. For better or for worse.

Have a look at the GitHub repo, it’s very active and there are clearly some passionate people putting a lot of work into it. So it’s worth looking at the language again every now and then.

Re: V Language Review

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Post by spottyn »

rvz wrote: post #19
umvi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is 'Xe' the name or the preferred pronoun of the person in question? Is this like Latinx but race neutral? Gender identity accommodations seem to get more complex and confusing by the month...

Who gives. Just use 'they' or 'them', or whatever. It is a universal catch all, gender neutral, i18n inclusivity conformant, ISO 69420 compliant, race neutral, etc. At this point, all of it is basically designed to further confuse and only create a very monthly chaotic outcome for everyone.

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Re: V Language Review

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Post by Rochus »

mawfig wrote: post #16
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #9

People like to dunk on V because of its author and community, but I will say that the design of the language itself (leaving aside the implementation) is genuinely interesting. To me, it feels like what Go should have been. And I like Go. So obviously I have a bit of a soft spot for V. Disclaimer: I’ve never actually used it.

I'm sorry if you feel this is a dunk on V. Having seen quite a bit of discussion both on hacker news and other places saying that V has improved significantly since Xe's articles a few years ago, I thought it would be worth while to attempt a modern evaluation of the language based on where it is today. Throughout, I tried to ground my review by basing it on the claims the developers themselves make. Would you mind e…

> I thought it would be worth while to attempt a modern evaluation of the language based on where it is today

A good idea indeed, thanks for the effort.

Although I'm quite surprised why V has gained so much attention.

Re: V Language Review

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Post by nicoburns »

iamsahebgiri wrote: post #17
jitl wrote: post #12

My recommendation is that if you like the look of V, you should consider Zig or Odin as well. Personally, Zig seems like the most promising C-but-modern language due to the interesting compile-time programming features and impressive investment in toolchain infrastructure.

Where does language like Vala stand? Is it worth checking out?

Similar to a language like D. Technically quite good, but not quite compelling enough that it has picked up momentum that is likely to push it into the mainstream and generate a large library ecosystem.

Re: V Language Review

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Post by Tozen »

smcl wrote: post #3

Christine Dodrill's early assessment of the language might be of interest here: https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 She doesn't pull any punches, but I think she was quite prescient in capturing the vibe of the project.

Why in the world do competitors of this programming language insist on dragging out evaluations from 3 years ago, which state that V is vaporware and before the language was even released? This is 2022, not 2019, and we are talking a hundred releases later (https://github.com/vlang/v/releases).

At least stick to the current evaluation (or attack), which is more relevant, and make points from there. But, keep in mind that these attacks are on a young language that isn't 1.0 yet, so even with this we are talking about a moving target. The language is still evolving.

Re: V Language Review

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Post by andi999 »

jitl wrote: post #12

My recommendation is that if you like the look of V, you should consider Zig or Odin as well. Personally, Zig seems like the most promising C-but-modern language due to the interesting compile-time programming features and impressive investment in toolchain infrastructure.

An article like the V one on Zig checking the claims would be awesome, wouldnt it.?

Re: V Language Review

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Post by Tozen »

mawfig wrote: post #18
smcl wrote: post #3

Christine Dodrill's early assessment of the language might be of interest here: https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 She doesn't pull any punches, but I think she was quite prescient in capturing the vibe of the project.

Thanks for linking Xe's blog here! It's a few years old and I've seen a lot of comments on HN that suggest V has improved significantly since 2019 so I thought it might be worth looking into for myself and writing down a review of what I found.

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Re: V Language Review

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Post by [deleted] »

pwdisswordfish9 wrote: post #6

At this point, why do people even spend time on debunking the marketing claims of this language at all? It's been done to death, whoever was going to be convinced the V developer is a charlatan has already been convinced. For better or for worse.

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Re: V Language Review

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Post by jitl »

iamsahebgiri wrote: post #17
jitl wrote: post #12

My recommendation is that if you like the look of V, you should consider Zig or Odin as well. Personally, Zig seems like the most promising C-but-modern language due to the interesting compile-time programming features and impressive investment in toolchain infrastructure.

Where does language like Vala stand? Is it worth checking out?

I think of Vala as the “Swift of Gnome”. As in, a nice language primarily useful for programming in the World Of Gnome, like Swift is a nice language for programming in the World of Apple. I don’t use Gnome, so I’m not interested in their Swift. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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