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US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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1/5 of raw fertilizer materials come from Russia! Is there a reason Russia is so prolific a source of fertilizer? I assume it's a legacy of Soviet Union attitudes towards raw material production.

As I understand it, the hydrogen in most industrially produced fertilizer comes from petroleum products. Given that, Russia being a big producer of fertilizer makes sense.

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The hypocrisy needs to be called out. Just a few months back US put a lot of pressure on countries like India to not buy Russian oil but now it's ready to buy Russian fertilizers? US media played along with multiple reports on India buying oil when Europe was buying in much larger quantities. Countries like India should buy cheap oil from where ever they can since inflation due to high oil prices can kill people. I a…

Did you consider the possible orders of magnitude of impact the two different actions would cause? This is not an apples to apples comparison.

Without the fertilizer, the US would grow less corn. So, reduction in biofuels, HFCS , beef and pork. Did I get that right?

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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post #31

1/5 of raw fertilizer materials come from Russia! Is there a reason Russia is so prolific a source of fertilizer? I assume it's a legacy of Soviet Union attitudes towards raw material production.

As I understand it, the hydrogen in most industrially produced fertilizer comes from petroleum products. Given that, Russia being a big producer of fertilizer makes sense.

In the article though, they make it clear the 3 resources they are talking about are nitrogen, potash, and phosphate.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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The US government has completely lost the ability to act strategically. Biden is currently in Saudi Arabia begging for more oil production, meanwhile he's blocking measures to increase North American oil production. So, instead of fixing our own problem with inflation, we're asking one of the worst regimes on Earth for help and enriching Russia with higher prices simultaneously. Even if you support greener energy, li…

Many powerful people in Washington genuinely thought they "won the game of history" in 1991 and subsequently turned their brains off.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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The West could've ended this war by now if they just went all in on sending howitzers, MLRS and other heavy equipment into Ukraine but they keep slow dripping it, or just doing nothing like Germany. The most powerful societies in the world history just twiddle their thumbs while negative consequences keep mounting.

I really don't get it - the west must a) either know more about Russia and its plans than the public or b) are somewhat complicit in gaining from a long war.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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The hypocrisy needs to be called out. Just a few months back US put a lot of pressure on countries like India to not buy Russian oil but now it's ready to buy Russian fertilizers? US media played along with multiple reports on India buying oil when Europe was buying in much larger quantities. Countries like India should buy cheap oil from where ever they can since inflation due to high oil prices can kill people. I a…

Did you consider the possible orders of magnitude of impact the two different actions would cause? This is not an apples to apples comparison.

Did you? Do you have sources to back up what you are insinuating?

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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The West could've ended this war by now if they just went all in on sending howitzers, MLRS and other heavy equipment into Ukraine but they keep slow dripping it, or just doing nothing like Germany. The most powerful societies in the world history just twiddle their thumbs while negative consequences keep mounting.

The US is interested in a protracted war in Ukraine to both make money for weapons and other supplies manufacturers, and to drain the Russian economy. The Ukraine war was precipitated by years of US machinations, despite media characterizations to the contrary.

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

quit in terms of US is importing, but the EU is expected to stay strong ideologically. Look. We all understand that the reaction to the war activistic and ideological. The more time will pass, the more politics will move towards Realpolitik.

> United States Imports from Russia of Fertilizers was US$1.28 Billion during 2021 [1] > Using data on ship movements, real-time tracking of gas flows through pipelines and estimates based on historical monthly trade, the researchers reckoned Germany alone paid Russia about 9.1 billion euros for fossil fuel deliveries — mostly natural gas — in the first two months of the war. [2] Let's not pretend these are comparabl…

Nuclear power stations that run with Russian fuel? Good try. (Not to mention they don't just "turn on".)

Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Putin might not be the best military strategist but he clearly is a master troll. It’s fascinating where a decade+ of policies ranging from stupid (green tech) to batshit crazy (shutting down nuclear) has led the West (US and especially the EU/Germany). And things are only starting to unravel…

In my opinion, the problem was that they didn't go 100% in on green tech.

Anyone claiming that we could be 100% non-nuclear non-CO2 is completely delusional. There are only a few tiny examples (like Greenland) that have sufficiently bizarre local sources of energy. And that’s not even taking into account plastics, fertiliser etc.

The price of this delusion is being paid right now: impeding famine, energy costs exploding, Europe financing Russian war in Europe.

The goal was “clean abundant energy” but the green movement focused on clean to the detriment of abundant

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