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The Birth and Death of the Office

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Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by 999900000999 »

osigurdson wrote: post #21

I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

The point is to keep local economies alive.

It's not about us, it's about the guy who delivers lunch, or the girl who owns the bagel shop.

However, offices are straight up abelist , if you have mobility issues it's absurdly hard to commute.

Commuting isn't really needed here, if I was in a wheelchair I'd take this to court.

Full tin foil hat time, if remote work was the norm the entire commercial real estate sector would collapse.

Most modern cities would collapse as well. So many industries are based around commuting, or supporting office workers. Hell, normalized remote work might destroy our entire economy.

Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by hexis »

999900000999 wrote: post #31
osigurdson wrote: post #21

I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

The point is to keep local economies alive. It's not about us, it's about the guy who delivers lunch, or the girl who owns the bagel shop. However, offices are straight up abelist , if you have mobility issues it's absurdly hard to commute. Commuting isn't really needed here, if I was in a wheelchair I'd take this to court. Full tin foil hat time, if remote work was the norm the entire commercial real estate sector w…

I’m happy to go to a bagel shop in my neighborhood.

Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by 88913527 »

999900000999 wrote: post #31
osigurdson wrote: post #21

I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

The point is to keep local economies alive. It's not about us, it's about the guy who delivers lunch, or the girl who owns the bagel shop. However, offices are straight up abelist , if you have mobility issues it's absurdly hard to commute. Commuting isn't really needed here, if I was in a wheelchair I'd take this to court. Full tin foil hat time, if remote work was the norm the entire commercial real estate sector w…

Why can't I have lunch delivered to my house or visit the bagel shop from my house?

Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by mike50 »

rhexs wrote: post #7
mertd wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US tried the suburban office park model. It's horrible.

Do I have to walk over feces and needles to get to work at a suburban office park model? Can I afford housing? Sure, sounds lame if I'm 23. What if -- crazy idea -- we have a variety of both options?

Sorry but any suburb of a real city NYC Boston Miami Washington DC is just as unafordable or needle ridden as the city.

Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by Avicebron »

giaour wrote: post #23
SoftTalker wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before office work was the norm, what was this "second place?" Churches, probably? Taverns?

Coffeehouses, clubs (the kind Victorian gentlemen spent all day in), workshops for craftsmen

I've always though those victorian clubs were pretty interesting, at least theyre portrayed in things like sherlock holmes, the old "adventure clubs" focused on exploring the world, north pole, antartica..etc

Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

999900000999 wrote: post #31
osigurdson wrote: post #21

I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

The point is to keep local economies alive. It's not about us, it's about the guy who delivers lunch, or the girl who owns the bagel shop. However, offices are straight up abelist , if you have mobility issues it's absurdly hard to commute. Commuting isn't really needed here, if I was in a wheelchair I'd take this to court. Full tin foil hat time, if remote work was the norm the entire commercial real estate sector w…

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Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by shahbaby »

osigurdson wrote: post #21

I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

Yep, it's jarring to see governments talk about carbon emissions and then ignore the potential emission savings by WFH.

Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by dijit »

lizknope wrote: post #25

I had an office with a door for 12 years. I switched jobs 3 years ago and everyone has a cubicle even the managers. Constant distractions with people talking loudly on conference calls. Then someone else talks even louder on their call. Before covid our site was mostly working on the same project. There was some fun collaboration in the conference room around white boards etc. We had a reorg to pool resources across…

I worked in open offices for 10 years.

I’d kill for a cubicle.

Everyone is different of course but open offices, lack of visual privacy, lack of personal space, it just drains me.

Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by mahathu »

osigurdson wrote: post #21

I don't think there is anything else more illogical in modern society than waking up in building A, hopping in a car and fighting traffic for an hour to get to building B just to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours (perhaps with a few minimally productive meetings here and there), then commute back to building A 8 hours later. Building B sits empty for 16 hours a day while Building A sits empty for 10 with both be…

i like hanging out and talking to my coworkers, it's fun:)

Re: The Birth and Death of the Office

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Post by mathgladiator »

mertd wrote: post #9
rhexs wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do I have to walk over feces and needles to get to work at a suburban office park model? Can I afford housing? Sure, sounds lame if I'm 23. What if -- crazy idea -- we have a variety of both options?

Urban areas don't have to have lots of petty crime and homelessness. Let's not assume they come as a package. Certain sectors clustering together in a geographic region has nice advantages even for non-23yo non-single folk. One can hop jobs without uprooting the rest of the family.

In Seattle, it became the norm. Honestly, my commute from an island required exiting a ferry terminal. On the way from the terminal to the office, I eventually went dead on the inside after stepping over sleeping homeless and wretched smells.
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