Heh. Where is the environment friendliness? Still rocking a 2014 MBP with $50 repairs after a spill that they quoted $1500 to fix. Fucking daylight robbers and goons
macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
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Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
#32The joke is Apple and its employees think they're a "green" company. These systems have a lot of life left in them.
They're not flipping a kill switch on these devices. They just won't be running the newest OS. I don't see how these two things (software updates and hardware longevity/recyclability) are at all related.
Not releasing the source leaves you open for vulnerabilities and locks out independent development. So people dump these in favor of new ones but for doing the same thing
Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
#33Bit disappointed to see my iMac 2015 dropped. It's got an i7 running at 4ghz, I paid for the graphics card update to 395x and 32gb of ram. It still runs everything absolutely flawlessly. I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon. So hopefully will run the OS with a hack, as I don't see what this OS needs better specs for, considering i'm sure lower spec machines can run it, so it's just Apple cutting it off for being A…
"It still runs everything absolutely flawlessly"... well that's the problem.
Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Barely. After today's announcement, I believe the only Intel Macs remaining are the Mac Pro and (weirdly) one configuration of the Mac Mini.
Yes. I believe that situation is unchanged from before the announcement, unless I missed something.
Oh, you're right. For some reason I thought the MacBook Pro 13" was replacing an Intel model, but I was wrong.
Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
#35It seems that this eliminates support prior to Kaby Lake. Is there any big difference between Skylake and Kaby Lake? Windows 11 does similar cut.
In the Windows 11 case, I believe the speculation was that they wanted a justification to drop CPUs too old to have the hardware acceleration to blunt the severe performance impact of the virtualization-based security they wanted to implement.
Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
#36The joke is Apple and its employees think they're a "green" company. These systems have a lot of life left in them.
They're not flipping a kill switch on these devices. They just won't be running the newest OS. I don't see how these two things (software updates and hardware longevity/recyclability) are at all related.
The main issue is, as the article points out towards the end, that you only receive all macOS security updates if you are on the latest major version. The two major versions prior to that one receive some, but not all, security updates. Once you are three major versions behind, your Mac does not receive any macOS security fixes anymore, which of course is hugely problematic.
So yes, unless you are completely ignoring the security of your system, losing macOS support is a kind of soft kill switch for the hardware.
Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
#37It's really disappointing how aggressively they have started to drop macOS support for slightly older Macs. Big Sur, which was released in Nov 2020, still supported the MacBook Air (2013) and the MacBook Pro (Late 2013). When Ventura is released only two years later, not even the MacBook Pro (2016) is supported, which was sold until Jun 2017. The fact that Ventura even drops support for a Mac that they sold until Dec…
I agree this is completely unjustifiable, especially with regards to the Mac Pro.
Can these machines even run Linux without losing hardware features (like T2 acceleration?)
The above said, I can see why they want to do it. It makes sense to want to stop supporting Intel macs as early as they can, and that means bringing down expectations of support life every year so it’s not a sudden cutoff that would cause an uproar.
It’s still B/S however you look at it though, and I feel really bad for anyone stuck on these platforms that feel like the rug has been pulled.
Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
#38It's really disappointing how aggressively they have started to drop macOS support for slightly older Macs. Big Sur, which was released in Nov 2020, still supported the MacBook Air (2013) and the MacBook Pro (Late 2013). When Ventura is released only two years later, not even the MacBook Pro (2016) is supported, which was sold until Jun 2017. The fact that Ventura even drops support for a Mac that they sold until Dec…
I haven't checked because I don't have a mac but it really depends if they have decided to increase support life and security updates of the previous macos release.
You don't really need Ventura if your current release is supported a long time.
Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
#39It's really disappointing how aggressively they have started to drop macOS support for slightly older Macs. Big Sur, which was released in Nov 2020, still supported the MacBook Air (2013) and the MacBook Pro (Late 2013). When Ventura is released only two years later, not even the MacBook Pro (2016) is supported, which was sold until Jun 2017. The fact that Ventura even drops support for a Mac that they sold until Dec…
I haven't checked because I don't have a mac but it really depends if they have decided to increase support life and security updates of the previous macos release. You don't really need Ventura if your current release is supported a long time.
They don't specify any support life or security lifetimes in advance. Typically what they do lately is update the previous two versions with security updates so you get a couple extra years lagging behind. But unlike MS or a lot of Linux distros there is no support promise and no EOL date.
Re: macOS 13 Ventura dumps all pre-2017 Macs, including the “trash can” Mac Pro
#40It's really disappointing how aggressively they have started to drop macOS support for slightly older Macs. Big Sur, which was released in Nov 2020, still supported the MacBook Air (2013) and the MacBook Pro (Late 2013). When Ventura is released only two years later, not even the MacBook Pro (2016) is supported, which was sold until Jun 2017. The fact that Ventura even drops support for a Mac that they sold until Dec…
It’s interesting that this seems like it may happen faster than the PowerPC -> Intel transition, where it took three years after the last PowerPC model was replaced and Snow Leopard stopped supporting PowerPC. Did OS X have security updates then?
This transition is way slower than PPC to Intel. They had the entire lineup changed by the end of 2006 starting the same year. By 2009 PPC models seemed particularly ancient.
Meanwhile with the current transition Apple has yet to introduce a Mac Pro replacement over a year and a half in.