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Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)
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#32Relatedly I found this video on electric kettles vs gas stove efficiency for heating water pretty illuminating too: https://youtu.be/_yMMTVVJI4c?t=763 The summary is that a cheap electric kettle can boil water way faster and with far less wasted energy than a stove top kettle.
> with far less wasted energy Small nit-pick: Electricity generation itself is often very lossy. In the case of fossil sources, the energy waste is just further up the chain (with solar power too, but it matters much less).
A generator powering the grid for the electric company is going to capture a far greater portion of the fossil fuel energy than the gas range in your kitchen. There will be some loss transmitting electrical power from the generator to your house, but usually less loss proportionally than than energy wasted above a gas range. As you suggest, climate-neutral renewable sources make up a tiny portion of most power grids, but that will likely change in the coming years.
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#33Once my house has a battery large enough to where I won't end up going ballistic on my energy company for having 24+ hour power outages I am fine with moving away from gas.
But I am not going to live with losing power a dozen times a year for up to a day at a time because a corporation wants my life to be the tip of the misery spear instead of their profit margins taking a hit.
Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)
#34Relatedly I found this video on electric kettles vs gas stove efficiency for heating water pretty illuminating too: https://youtu.be/_yMMTVVJI4c?t=763 The summary is that a cheap electric kettle can boil water way faster and with far less wasted energy than a stove top kettle.
That seems pretty obvious from their construction. I don’t know anyone that uses a stove top kettle. It’s unfortunate that in the US our electric kettles are much slower than in the U.K.
We use a Zwilling model at home that's very fast and simple to operate (seems strange to have to say that, but a Cuisinart model in our office is a UI and design disaster).
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
How are you heating your home? Most methane furnace designs use electric blowers to actually get the heat into the home (at least in North America).
in the texas freeze last year natural gas never stopped flowing even though power was out for about 5 days. I cut the wire to my gas furnace and put a plug on the end. My small 2kw generator could easily run the blower on my gas furnace. We could still cook food on our gas stove. We still had hot water from our gas hot water heater (though the pipes eventually froze).
Glad you were able to get by, sincerely.
I've only been to Austin + gotten gas around Amarillo on my way to ABQ, but as someone who's spent most my life in blue dots in red states, it's hard to put into words how angry that entire fiasco made me.
(And I'm someone who nearly did an MFA in Creative Nonfiction... I am very good at describing how I feel, it's a very purposeful exploitation of American libel law -- propaganda is the selective telling of truths, especially paired with our libel laws[1])
Anyways to swing it back to the article/thread:
Were you not able to run a thin stream of water?
I was lucky to have water included in every place I rented up til now, I used to joke if a landlord angers me I can set up a flywheel, but it also meant if it gets cold I'm not worried about cost if I switch it to the warm side and run a thin stream while I sleep or go out for espresso.
Re: Gas stoves are more hazardous than we’ve been led to believe (2020)
#36Does no one use a kitchen extractor fan and have a CO monitor in their kitchen?
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#37There was a bunch of articles about this in 2020. After looking into the data my conclusion is the threat is overblown (big surprise), a large part of it is from cooking of any kind (heating produces particulates) and that if you take some basic precautions (open a window, use vent fan) the risk is very low.
Exactly. These are opinion pieces with scary headlines.
Almost nothing to back them up.
Also strange to talk about developing countries having problems. They usually have chimneys.
Hydrochlorides are there because of pans coated with them that burn them off. Guess what, they still end up in food no matter which heating you would use.
So the problem is pans, not the heat.
Cooking with fire is Lindy. And there is no other way to make rotis, tatziki (char the eggplant) and other things without fire.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> with far less wasted energy Small nit-pick: Electricity generation itself is often very lossy. In the case of fossil sources, the energy waste is just further up the chain (with solar power too, but it matters much less).
A generator powering the grid for the electric company is going to capture a far greater portion of the fossil fuel energy than the gas range in your kitchen. There will be some loss transmitting electrical power from the generator to your house, but usually less loss proportionally than than energy wasted above a gas range. As you suggest, climate-neutral renewable sources make up a tiny portion of most power grids,…
This is the same reason that EVs still win on overall efficiency, even if your electrical supply is fossil fuel based. You get to take advantages of efficiency in scale.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
in the texas freeze last year natural gas never stopped flowing even though power was out for about 5 days. I cut the wire to my gas furnace and put a plug on the end. My small 2kw generator could easily run the blower on my gas furnace. We could still cook food on our gas stove. We still had hot water from our gas hot water heater (though the pipes eventually froze).
Why did pipes freeze with furnace fan on generator ?
It had never been below freezing that long since we started recording temperature for large parts of Texas. Thus, home designs often don't bother dealing with the question "but what if its freezing cold for days on end?", so there's no consideration to putting a water line on an exterior wall. We even have tankless water heaters mounted in or on the exterior wall with plumbing only protected by a metal plate if even that.
In places where it does regularly get below freezing for long stretches of time they do try and avoid putting water lines on exterior walls specifically for this reason.