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Data Science in Context – Peter Norvig's New Book

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Re: Data Science in Context – Peter Norvig's New Book

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a book for data scientists. Data scientists are not software engineers. They analyze data, they don't produce applications. Not everything in the world is written for the benefit of software engineers.

Previous poster didn't mention software engineers.

programmers != software engineers?

Re: Data Science in Context – Peter Norvig's New Book

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post #30

Quick skim and so far I've learned that the term "black box" model is now part of exclusionary language. It's "opaque box".

Because the opposite of black box is clear box so it makes sense to use the opposite of clear which is opaque.

> Because the opposite of black box is clear box

Not a native speaker (never heard "clear box" as terminus technicus), but a mathematician: If it is "the (only) opposite", the relation ist symmetric. So the opposite of "clear box" is "black box" again. Skipping the injective part, "black box" would be still one possible opposite.

Re: Data Science in Context – Peter Norvig's New Book

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post #19

They should change the title. It is not a book for programmers about implementation of data science techniques. It is a book for managers about concerns surrounding the application of data science in various domains. The title should be something like "Social Concerns in the Application of Data Science."

I think a more philosophical text by Norvig is quite welcome.

This is better than yet another machine learning algorithm book.

Re: Data Science in Context – Peter Norvig's New Book

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post #30

Quick skim and so far I've learned that the term "black box" model is now part of exclusionary language. It's "opaque box".

Because the opposite of black box is clear box so it makes sense to use the opposite of clear which is opaque.

No, it makes no sense to change a well-known phrase to an unfamiliar and goofy sounding one just to appease a silly ideology that injects racism into everything.

Re: Data Science in Context – Peter Norvig's New Book

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Quick skim and so far I've learned that the term "black box" model is now part of exclusionary language. It's "opaque box".

I can't see where they criticize the term "black box". So, ironically, this is just a complaint that they used some terminology you don't approve of.

Re: Data Science in Context – Peter Norvig's New Book

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post #35
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the opposite of black box is clear box so it makes sense to use the opposite of clear which is opaque.

No, it makes no sense to change a well-known phrase to an unfamiliar and goofy sounding one just to appease a silly ideology that injects racism into everything.

It has nothing to do with racism, but good on you for bringing racism into the argument though.

Black box vs clear/open box are very well known terms. Some people use the term opaque box instead because it a more clear antonym to clear/open box.

Re: Data Science in Context – Peter Norvig's New Book

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post #32
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the opposite of black box is clear box so it makes sense to use the opposite of clear which is opaque.

> Because the opposite of black box is clear box Not a native speaker (never heard "clear box" as terminus technicus), but a mathematician: If it is "the (only) opposite", the relation ist symmetric. So the opposite of "clear box" is "black box" again. Skipping the injective part, "black box" would be still one possible opposite.

it's also known as open box or glass box and very rarely white box.

Re: Data Science in Context – Peter Norvig's New Book

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post #38
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it makes no sense to change a well-known phrase to an unfamiliar and goofy sounding one just to appease a silly ideology that injects racism into everything.

It has nothing to do with racism, but good on you for bringing racism into the argument though. Black box vs clear/open box are very well known terms. Some people use the term opaque box instead because it a more clear antonym to clear/open box.

> It has nothing to do with racism, but good on you for bringing racism into the argument though.

Nonsense. This is all part of the "oppressive language" concept peddled by the neo-Marxist authoritarian types.

> Some people use the term opaque box instead because it a more clear antonym to clear/open box.

This is the first time in my life that I head the term "opaque box" used instead of "black box" in this context. I couldn't even find this phrase using a Google search.

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