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Re: I'm an addict

#31
Here's what worked for me.

1. Ask yourself why do you think this is a problem and debug deeply. Maybe, after all, spending day watching videos is fine and what you want to do and the story that you don't is unnecessary.

2. Once you bring it to your conscious mind, you face a decision, do I want to watch videos and maybe learn something and relax, given that it comes with not delivering some things I promised and doing the thing I've been thinking I need to do for a long time, or do I want to do e.g. that thing.

3. Then do what you want. It requires no effort. You do what you want. I know habits and dopamine addiction narration, but there is no substance dependence here and the trick is that we cannot really hold contradicting beliefs in our conscious mind (we have plenty of them in the background but once you collide them actively you usually end up creating some micro-rationalization). But here your focus is consciously facing the choice. Plus there's plenty of dopamine for something that's been on todo for a long time.

Re: I'm an addict

#32
post #22

This hits hard. I recently counted hours watched on YT (via history export) and OH MY GD, it averaged around 3 hours daily throught the year, for several years. I just imagined WHAT IF I have spent this amount of effort and time on ANYTHING else: playing an instrument, learning a new language, coding a side-project. The thought scared me so much, aka the difference between current me and "potential" me that I have ab…

> 3 hours daily throught the year, for several years. So, less than the average amount of time people spend watching TV?

still a lot, imho. considering how much we spend on commute, work, sport, preparing food and socializing, this is basically almost all your time budget as a "free" time. Then its either wasted consuming addictive crap or doing something interesting with it.

Re: I'm an addict

#33
I’ve been struggling with the same problem and found a solution that works for me. I was procrastinating up to 8 hours per day, on average.

The core idea is to make a contract with oneself to not exceed a daily budget of procrastination and implement it. Say, 4 hours per day, on average. Everything else follows from it.

There are few critical components to make this work:

1. You need to admit you have a problem that needs fixing. If you procrastinate so much, quite possibly you are depressed. Like, for realz. That's OK.

2. Self-understanding that this is a matter of survival. Either you will make this work, or your life will be truly miserable, up to and including destroying your career, relationships and health.

3. Comprehensive time tracking. If you were watching a YouTube video while eating and spent extra 5 minutes to finish off the video after you were done with your meal, you need to track these 5 minutes. If you pick up your phone in bed just to quickly scroll through pages for 3 minutes, you need to track it. I use Excel for that - very fast & easy if you know the right keyboard shortcuts.

4. You need to do the tracking _yourself_. This is to (a) increase awareness you procrastinated and (b) introduce friction to doing it.

5. Social accountability. I have a weekly session with a coach where I report if I stayed within the quota, or not. But anybody you don't want to disappoint will do.

6. You are good as long as you stay within the budget. If you spend the time you reclaimed by laying on the couch and looking at the ceiling for 3 hours - that's a huge win. More on that below.

7. As always, you cannot neglect your fundamentals: sleep, exercise, proper diet, socializing. But now you will have time to deal with it.

Once you implement this process, few observation immediately come to mind:

1. You have so much more time and mental energy. Wow.

2. If you fail to track these short 3-5 minute burst of procrastination, they quickly add up to half an hour, an hour, two hours. Hence, you really cannot slip on that. If you slip, you also won’t be able to trust yourself, which is critical.

3. You become bored with that extra time, meaning you finally have time to think and talk to yourself. I cannot overstate how important that is. You can use this time to direct your thoughts / visualize better outcomes and hence motivate yourself to do the right thing (aka Cognitive Behavioral Therapy).

4. Once you keep doing it successfully for some time, you can now trust yourself that you are in control. This is huge, because your emotions now will be on your side.

5. You become less afraid of doing productive things, because you actually have time to do them, instead of thinking "what's the point, I have 1 hour in the day left after wasting all of it, I am tired, and I will give into my procrastination cravings anyway".

6. You will sleep way more because now you cannot procrastinate in bed. This will repay your sleep debt and restore your energy levels, making everything else much easier to tackle.

Overall, this strategy works for me very well because (a) I admitted to myself I have a problem that is very serious. This means I need to seek help and develop a process to solve it. And (b) I don’t mind doing comprehensive time tracking of my procrastination time, which is a critical part of the entire process.

Further reading:

"Digital Minimalism" by Cal Newport

"Feeling Good" by David D. Burns

Re: I'm an addict

#34
I wrote a dealio a bit back which was pretty popular here on reducing addiction to the internet by diluting it via latency, like it's harder to get addicted to small beer than to liquor. People thought when they were voting for prohibition a century ago that they were voting for banning liquor and leaving beer alone: I tend to think _that_ idea wasn't so incredibly bad, actually

https://howonlee.github.io/2020/02/12/I-20Add-2020-20Seconds...

I've been annoyed for a good while that online videos seem to be pretty resistant because of their variable lengths to the per-request futzing I've been doing. I probably need to get a pihole and inject latency at network level on streaming stuff, too, but this is pretty complicated and I have flatmates

Re: I'm an addict

#35
There are many things that I think that I should blanket ban, but I refuse to do so because blanket banning something makes me feel like that that something won. It makes me feel completely out of control.

Re: I'm an addict

#36
There's a lot of good literature and help out there.

I wrote this [1] specifically to help you understand some of what's going on - well, at least some views for those of us who feel passionate about technology but sometimes have unhealthy relationships with it.

You already touch on many of the issues in your post. I have submitted lists of other books here too (search through my history for Cal Newport for example) that deal with tech overuse, addiction, hoarding and so on. Hope it's useful.

[1] https://digitalvegan.net

Re: I'm an addict

#37
Your post tells me you may be suffering from ADHD. Consider reading this book: Delivered from Distraction: Getting the Most Out of Life with Attention Deficit Disorder Paperback – 27 Dec. 2005 by M D Edward M Hallowell M D (Author), John J Ratey (Author)

If it strikes a chord, think of seeing your doctor about this.

Re: I'm an addict

#38
post #7
post #2

We're all being sucked in the internet. It's so easy to become addict to video, podcasts, games, etc. nowadays that I would not be surprised if that becomes a major society issue.

The problem I have is that some of the content is really good. I have been able to lose weight consistently and easily because I found resources online that helped me understand the science and cut through all the bullshit that we are inundated with around nutrition. My confidence and results in investing are at an all time high because I can fill in the gaps of understanding with a range of experts on YouTube. But,…

What are your top recommendations for weight loss resources?

Re: I'm an addict

#39

Knowing that HN is generally against it, I say it anyway: I recommend religion and religious teachings which address this and many other daily worldly issues perfectly. Christianity and Judaism both have excellent resources. Religious scholars have actually been the best psychologists but are generally dismissed by non-believers. Edit: for those asking for specific recommendations. It’s always best to find your own p…

Got anything more specific to recommend? I'd like to read the main books of the main religions eventually out of personal culture, but they won't get to the top of the reading pile any time soon. Meanwhile, I'm sure procrastination, motivation and discipline are behaviors that religious scholars had to develop even in a pre-Internet world so I'm sure there are interesting takes written on the subject. I recall some reknown writer from a few centuries (like 16th/17th century?) writing about his struggles with procrastination and how he eliminated distractions (lol!) from his working environment.

Re: I'm an addict

#40
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> I'm simply incapable of doing things I've set out to do. Simple things. Everything is difficult. “Independent discharges of dopamine neurons (tonic or pacemaker firing) determine the motivation to respond to such cues. As a result of habitual intake of addictive drugs, dopamine receptors expressed in the brain are decreased, thereby reducing interest in activities not already stamped in by habitual rewards. ” From:…

It should also be mentioned that the most addictive and dopaminergic drugs most people in the Anglosphere consume daily are the wide variety of pre-made pre-cooked fast food meals which are engineered for maximum palatability. These days this goes for just about everything that isn't bought in the grocery store in its purest form. Just about every product on the shelves these days is contaminated with engineered ingredients to get you a stronger feeling of reward so you come back for more.

“Talk to me about taste, and if this stuff tastes better, don’t run around trying to sell stuff that doesn’t taste good.” - Stephen Sanger, head of General Mills

You can search the web using that quote to begin your descent into the rabbit hole.

The food you eat does not just affect your body weight. It also affects your mental state.

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