Does seem a bit incongruous with EU efforts to protect privacy like GDPR.
GDPR unfortunately has ample exceptions for governments.
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#32"Potential victims" are not victims. That's where the slippery slope begins.
There was a movie called Minority Report that had a similar premise. Basically they would detect murders before they happened and arrest people moments before the murder took place. At the time of the arrest the potential killer had motive and intent, so that’s how they justified it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)?wprov=s...
Based on the story by Philip K. Dick
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> full control in the name of COVID Apart from closing bars and restaurants etc what sort of full control did the EU impose?
nothing, it was in countries jurisdiction, actually people were calling for more central response from EU, but they didn't have any means/rights.
Only thing EU did afaik, was EU covid certificates, which I'm eternally grateful for.
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> Cars can kill people. Should we ban those? In dense cities: yes.
I would rather ban (too) dense cities. Nobody needs to live at a density of 10k+ people per square kilometre .
Why? It's the most efficient use of resources and allows for some great cultural and public infrastructure to exist that just doesn't make sense without density.
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#35If anyone's read the full proposal, does it specify what types of communication they want to monitor? It seems unlikely that providers like Google and Meta are just going to turn off their E2E encryption and let the EU plug in their cable.
Anything else (like just monitoring national providers) will surely just be pointless.
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#36I don't understand how does "grooming detection algorithm" looks.
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> full control in the name of COVID Apart from closing bars and restaurants etc what sort of full control did the EU impose?
Even then it was national governments, not the EU, imposing those controls.
I’m not aware of any COVID measures that was bought in solely via powers the EU has. I assume that would take far too long, as every new directive from the EU needs to implemented by each member state separately.
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#38Yeah not like this. I will turn myself into a black hole as much as possible. If they somehow ever come to suspect me of these things I will gladly do anything I can to support their investigations. They can come by with a warrant, look through my message history specifically and only for evidence related to their investigation, it will happen in my presence, and no copies of my data will be made and/or fed into the…
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Most (all?) restrictions where imposed by the governments. Can you give us more details or some example on that “total control” the European Commission actually exercised.
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#39this keeps getting proposed every few months and it keeps getting rejected
This has been going on for 15 years
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> full control in the name of COVID Apart from closing bars and restaurants etc what sort of full control did the EU impose?
Even closing of bars and restaurands was not imposed by the EU because it does not have the legal powers required to do that.
Please read up on competences of institutions before directing blame, everyone.
The EU has exclusive power in customs, openness of the internal market, monetary policy, internal commercial policy and some selected international treaties.
Member states are furthermore prevented from interfering from EU regulation - if it exists - in some areas of agriculture, environment and consumer protection, transport and energy and meta directives in legal fairness and security.
There is no competency for regulating health, that is solely member state responsibility.
Regulation of digital markets needs to attach to these powers, and so is derived mostly from a need to protect competition and internal markets.